Who else thinks "Star Trek" is going to stink ?

[Flynne]

Boring "heady" stories are the way to go on first impression.

Star Trek TMP is the perfect example.

Hate it all you like, but there's no denying it created everything there is today that is post-classic series Trek.

Mike, buddy - I disagree. While I enjoy TMP for what it is, frankly, you could roll right into Wrath of Khan without ever seeing TMP and miss nothing.

[huedell]

Boring "heady" stories are the way to go on first impression.

Star Trek TMP is the perfect example.

Hate it all you like, but there's no denying it created everything there is
today that is post-classic series Trek.

Your rationale on why that is "good" eludes me.

[Hector]

Boring "heady" stories are the way to go on first impression.

Star Trek TMP is the perfect example.

Hate it all you like, but there's no denying it created everything there is today that is post-classic series Trek.

Are you off your meds, Mike?

[Hector]

I must say I'm looking somewhat forward to the new movie ... I like the classic Trek, and watched TNG but anything after that I couldn't stand. I am a huge Star Wars fan ... and given I doubt this new movie is going to be a hit with true Trek fans ... but for someone like me who is just a mild Trek fan and huge Star wars fan ... this new movie might bring in a whole new fan base that will find the original Trek. It looks like it's going to have a Star Wars mix in with the Trek feel. Or who knows it might suck more than the other TV classics turned Movie remakes.

Exactly.

[Nostalgiabuff]

>>>I think as Gene's widow They have to placate her to get the rights


I think Paramount owns this animal. Roddenberry lost ownership long before he died.

and I still think it will be a good movie. Look I don't go to see movies to be philosophical. I go for entertainment. I am all for a good plot but this is still just a movie. Don't forget Star Trek was designed to be a western in the stars so if all they do is go out their and kick some alien butt I am fine with it.

Mike, just enjoy it for what it is, a new Star Trek adventure. If nothing else consider it one of those DCU Elseworlds tales they do for Batman.

PS. I liked TMP. Might not have a lot of action but it was classic Trek all the way. the dierctors cut on DVD is especially good.

[Mikey]

i think it will flop. but i want to see it....from a burned netflix DVD..lol

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[huedell]

I think as Gene's widow They have to placate her to get the rights

I think it's more likely they did it because it was a good idea.
(yes, they probably actually have some of that kind of mindset
in this new Trek movie, I'm betting!)

She's basically ALWAYS done it and (again, I say) they probably thought "why not?".

[wyldpny]

Setting aside for moment that I am obviously a big Trek fan, this movie will probably be one of the blockbusters of next summer. I don't say that because I may be biased as on the contrary I still have an opinion and it isn't based on the mindset that anything Trek simply must be great. Personally I was very looking forward to the last Trek TV show "Enterprise" and was very disappointed with the final product and even now have a hard time watching it as it has so many problems and mistakes on so many levels. Having said that, the buzz on this movie is getting bigger each month and by the time it hits theaters, even if it isn't that great of a movie it will still probably be very big at the box office. They are already talking a sequel and it is not even out yet so there ya go.
The bottom line is that we can guess and say anything we want about a film none of us have seen yet and talk all day long about what kind of film we "think" it will be, but until we actually see the final product, saying things like it will be awesome or it will stink are just personal opinions that are based on very little if anything at all.

[huedell]

The bottom line is that we can guess and say
anything we want about a film none of us have seen yet and talk all day long
about what kind of film we "think" it will be, but until we actually see the
final product, saying things like it will be awesome or it will stink are just
personal opinions that are based on very little if anything at all.

On one hand, what you just posted should be apparent to a pre-schooler----but on the other, due to personal opinion and a bit of elbow grease,
a case could be made for a personal rationalization to carry more weight,
as if one has "earned" that right in some way.

And here we are back at square one again

[Mikey]

It seems like just about every sneak preview clip of this movie they showed I didn't like.

Assuming like all sneak previews, they're showing THEIR BEST ...... Leads me to believe I wont like this movie.

The kid with the car was the last straw.

That turned me off so bad, i'm not even willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.

They might have suckered me in if they didn't show that clip ......

I'm actually glad they showed it.

They saved me 10+ bucks.

[Bat_Rob]

Hmmmm....

Looks like there's only one way to settle this; Mike and Hector into the circle, shirts off, cue dramatic music....

>part of what I enjoyed about TOS is the arguably poor special effects, cheap, fake looking sets

That's a big part of the problem for me. I wouldn't say the original was cheap or bad; they DID put a lot of effort into it, but that was 40+ years ago.... but there was a certain look about things in the old show. Partly by design, partly due to effects and materials technology of the time, partly 'cos of the prevaling design ethic of the day.... but there was a look. Losing that takes away a lot of the feel of the original setting. Yeah; the new ship is nice (albiet chubby looking) but it doesn't look like the original. It looks like the CURRENT ship designs.

This doesn't sit well with me since it shows a desire to capitalize on the Kirk/Spock name without accepting the limits of the setting. Usually that means a piecemeal film, with the KEWEL bits used out of context from the rest of the story....

>It's the same old story.

....which is what we usually end up with. I got no problem with prequels, or having different actors play the parts. I DO have a problem with watching the same story I've been watching for the last twenty years.

Don C.

I have to agree. Yes things were a little goofy or cheap looking 40 years ago, but that was due to budget and such. They put a LOT of effort into the show and I thought it rocked. The bridge, the sickbay, etc. I look at the bridge of the new movie and it looks like a forensic night club.

[spotter]

I'm with Mike it will suck as anything star trek - I'll still pay $1 for a redbox rental at the grocery store just to be sure though

here is Why I think so

1. The story will be written to close up gaps in 6 different Broadcast that were written by dozens of writers made multiple timelines / causes to events within all the series "Conflicting cannon info among the star trek universes" ( or they will ingnore it like TPM did and try to explain away why a whiney little kid is "the best star pilot I ever knew")

2. ignore Iconic images will alienate the audience - Transformers avoided this by including the real Prime's voice I loved transformers personally ( cut out the kid and John Tutoro and it would have been awsome) but I know a lot of fans hated the "my Bad" line. Looks like the new GI Joe movie will not be so lucky

3. RoBoots & retreads spend too much time pillaging the name to peddle a crappy story then ignore those same fans who might have been exited about it :BSG modern lost its way after the 2 hour intro movie ( which I happily own). I hung in for a while but after seeing the "arc" I find it unwatchable and have not seen the last 2 seasons

4. Re Write loved characters or "we are gonna blow your mind with (our ultra predicatable ) plot twist.
SWAT movie was ok but they made TJ a bad guy ( course I knew he had to be a bad guy that guy is so typecast) ;
Boomer and Starbuk are cylons ?
Jim Felps is a bad guy - I knew that the moment he was"shot" that is like 5 minutes in I lean over to my brother and say - He did it all.

5. Modern story telling pace- the reason classic who, trek, the early episodes of BSG even war of the worlds worked is because they took the time to let a moment build and maybe it was budget but allowed us to learn to enjoy the interaction between the characters - SFX were too expensive to use in every shot.

6. New film medium tries to use slick modern ideas to ramrod through something remembered through the Eyes of Your youth. Speed Racer (modern cartoons and that awful movie this year & Godzilla the Japan stomping dinosaur vs Godzilla the giant iguana . nuff said ? Jack Nickolson in the shining and the complete lack of sound shows how Mr Torrence goes of the deep end, the guy from Wings nope.

to show I am not totally "things were better when I was a kid"

And here are the Reboots / remakes I do like more than or as much as their counterparts


Great ones
Spiderman 1 was better than any prior version of the character. Made by a fan who loved the character. ( and no nicholas hammond either)

The Prisoner Vs Secret Agent - No contest No 6 is way cooler than John Smith but i'm sure the a&e series will suck too

Casino Royale is better than 90 % of the prior bond movies and I love Sean Connery bond flicks

The Fugitive - Tommy Lee Jones makes that movie

equal to the original

Stargate vs seasons 1 -3 of SG1 - love em both the rewrite worked untill they had done it for 60 episodes

Doctor who modern Season 1 & 2- holds its own and exceeds the JNT years of who. Produced by a person who grew up with the old show.

holds its own
Hulk Ed Norton vs Hulk - Eric Bana aka Steaming Pile of Crap ( thank Robot Chicken) ; this one was at least watchable actor is a a fan who loved the character.

War of the worlds TV series vs the 50's movie - I liked the way they tied that together and it

[Hector]

It seems like just about every sneak preview clip of this movie they showed I didn't like.

Assuming like all sneak previews, they're showing THEIR BEST ...... Leads me to believe I wont like this movie.

Mike...you would've hated this movie anyway...even if God himself told you it was good.

[Hector]

I'm with Mike it will suck as anything star trek - I'll still pay $1 for a redbox rental at the grocery store just to be sure though

here is Why I think so

1. The story will be written to close up gaps in 6 different Broadcast that were written by dozens of writers made multiple timelines / causes to events within all the series "Conflicting cannon info among the star trek universes" ( or they will ingnore it like TPM did and try to explain away why a whiney little kid is "the best star pilot I ever knew")

2. ignore Iconic images will alienate the audience - Transformers avoided this by including the real Prime's voice I loved transformers personally ( cut out the kid and John Tutoro and it would have been awsome) but I know a lot of fans hated the "my Bad" line. Looks like the new GI Joe movie will not be so lucky

3. RoBoots & retreads spend too much time pillaging the name to peddle a crappy story then ignore those same fans who might have been exited about it :BSG modern lost its way after the 2 hour intro movie ( which I happily own). I hung in for a while but after seeing the "arc" I find it unwatchable and have not seen the last 2 seasons

4. Re Write loved characters or "we are gonna blow your mind with (our ultra predicatable ) plot twist.
SWAT movie was ok but they made TJ a bad guy ( course I knew he had to be a bad guy that guy is so typecast) ;
Boomer and Starbuk are cylons ?
Jim Felps is a bad guy - I knew that the moment he was"shot" that is like 5 minutes in I lean over to my brother and say - He did it all.

5. Modern story telling pace- the reason classic who, trek, the early episodes of BSG even war of the worlds worked is because they took the time to let a moment build and maybe it was budget but allowed us to learn to enjoy the interaction between the characters - SFX were too expensive to use in every shot.

6. New film medium tries to use slick modern ideas to ramrod through something remembered through the Eyes of Your youth. Speed Racer (modern cartoons and that awful movie this year & Godzilla the Japan stomping dinosaur vs Godzilla the giant iguana . nuff said ? Jack Nickolson in the shining and the complete lack of sound shows how Mr Torrence goes of the deep end, the guy from Wings nope.

to show I am not totally "things were better when I was a kid"

And here are the Reboots / remakes I do like more than or as much as their counterparts


Great ones
Spiderman 1 was better than any prior version of the character. Made by a fan who loved the character. ( and no nicholas hammond either)

The Prisoner Vs Secret Agent - No contest No 6 is way cooler than John Smith but i'm sure the a&e series will suck too

Casino Royale is better than 90 % of the prior bond movies and I love Sean Connery bond flicks

The Fugitive - Tommy Lee Jones makes that movie

equal to the original

Stargate vs seasons 1 -3 of SG1 - love em both the rewrite worked untill they had done it for 60 episodes

Doctor who modern Season 1 & 2- holds its own and exceeds the JNT years of who. Produced by a person who grew up with the old show.

holds its own
Hulk Ed Norton vs Hulk - Eric Bana aka Steaming Pile of Crap ( thank Robot Chicken) ; this one was at least watchable actor is a a fan who loved the character.

War of the worlds TV series vs the 50's movie - I liked the way they tied that together and it

For a second, I thought you were Darklord.

[Hector]

It seems like just about every sneak preview clip of this movie they showed I didn't like.

Assuming like all sneak previews, they're showing THEIR BEST ...... Leads me to believe I wont like this movie.

The kid with the car was the last straw.

That turned me off so bad, i'm not even willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.

They might have suckered me in if they didn't show that clip ......

I'm actually glad they showed it.

They saved me 10+ bucks.

Mike, you know that many times, some of the footage you see in trailers, are not really in the movies themselves.

I bet you that the scene with the kid is not even in the movie.