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Ditto! I haven't like ANY live-action Batmobiles after the classic 1966 TV show car.
And while the original 1966 STAR TREK TV show Enterprise IS a beautiful design (as evidenced by T1-Kirk's posting of the digitally rendered ship), I still think the new Enterprise design fits well with an updated re-imagining of STAR TREK.
The future evolution and survival of the STAR TREK franchise depends upon change.
Ultimately this debate (like others about the STAR TREK re-boot) come down to wether or not you can accept change.
For those that are very close to Trek, this is a VERY difficult thing to do.
It is a position that I sincerely understand and empathize with since I am equally unwilling to accept change when it comes to matters of Batman comic book "traditionality".
However, this type of stubborn thinking is only a path to personal disappointment, heartache, and bitterness.
I believe it was Captain Kirk himself who once said some very wise words about the subject of change, just as he himself had an epiphany about his OWN difficulty to accept and embrace it:
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KIRK: It's about the future, Madam Chancellor. Some people think the future means the end of history. But we haven't run out of history just yet. Your father once called the future - "the undiscovered country"... People can be very frightened of change.I... am an action figure customizerComment
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Excellent quote! Change is not what I'm frightened of, I just don't like the design of the new ship. My tastes are definitely "retro" or "passé." I will say though that throughout the pre-production of this movie the production team had stressing that it isn't a reboot. That it is faithful to the original. Bringing out Leonard Nimoy to tell people how wonderful this is. Along those lines, I would expect things to look the same, but with new actors, etc. If they had said all along something like they are saying in the press now "this is a new trek but wanting to be faithful to it's tried and true ideas" I would be more accepting of the design changes. If they have some sort of time-twist explanation in the story to explain the changes, fine...but it is still a re-imagining. Just call it that. We've been using the changes to the Batmobile as an example. Tim Burton never said he was trying to re-do the Adam West Batman. I went into the movie knowing it was a re-do. Same thing with Batman Returns. I knew it a start over. So officially call it that.People can be very frightened of change
I still don't like the design though nor the rebel without a cause-ish Kirk they've been talking about
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Very well said Roberto!!
I totally understand those who can't except this new cast of our beloved Friends that We grew up with. I too can't imagine anyone but Shatner, Nimoy, & and Kelly...as Kirk, Spock & Bones...but I'm still willing to give this a chance before comdeming it. And maybe Mikey is right...and I'm in for a big disappointment.
But I still can't close the Door on this, without even watching it. So I plan to go in with an open Mind.
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OK, here's my quote ...
Kirk from Ultimate Computer ......
I think that thing is wrong, and I don't know why.
I'm getting a red alert right here.
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>Is CBS planning to re-edit the original series AGAIN --- but this time add this crap Enterprise in the CGI scenes ?
SSSSHHHHHHH!!!!! They'll hear you!
>Get rid of the classic series SLOWLY and maybe nobody will notice.
For a while that was the attitude of the guy in charge. (Can't remember his name, but I remember an interview around the Voyager era where he said as much.) Nowadays I think it's just a matter of reselling the old stuff. It's easier to "upgrade" old shows than make new ones, and the old ones have a ready made audience. The actual shows are pretty much an afterthought.
Not that this is limited to Trek; but I think this is the attitude taking over entertainment. Distribution is where the money is at now; not production.
>The future evolution and survival of the STAR TREK franchise depends upon change.
Well.... I don't agree. I think if they made a series that didn't suck THAT would help a LOT more than reimagining the old stuff. Sure, everyone knows who Kirk is, but is his presence a draw for normal people as much as it is for Trekkies?
>Ultimately this debate (like others about the STAR TREK re-boot) come down to wether or not you can accept change.
Again, I don't agree. I thought the online seires (why can't I remmeber the name?!?!?) was really good, and it had different people in all the parts. For me, it's not the change thatbothers me, but the LACK of change: the idea that they're banking on known names and popular settings but changing them to conform with a modern sensibility. It's the worst of both worlds; you're rehashing the same old stuff, but presenting it in a way that plays out the same as everything else that's going on in the genre right now.
Why not do something COMPLETEY new, in any of the settings. Wanna go back to the classic? Howzabout a movie set on the Hood? They won't, because the last few new series' haven't been too popular. 'Course they haven't been that GOOD; but most execs look at things in the coarsest way, and in that case it'd be "new series don't sell."
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It all comes down to EVERYONE who's ever been IN CHARGE of Star Trek AFTER the death of Roddenberry HATES or just dismisses the classic series.
It just don't make sense having people like that in charge.
It's bound to fail ALL THE TIME ...
To me, having Nimoy in this movie doesn't make it legit --- Just as Shat in Generations didn't make that crap legit either.
The movie is just going to be another "Enterprise"
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I look at it in terms of the motion picture,there is no way this movie could be as bad as it was.I still like the motion picture though.
“When you say “It’s hard”, it actually means “I’m not strong enough to fight for it”. Stop saying its hard. Think positive!”Comment
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>It all comes down to EVERYONE who's ever been IN CHARGE of Star Trek AFTER the death of Roddenberry HATES or just dismisses the classic series.
I don't think that's the case NOW; but it had been for a while. I guess the guys they brought in for the last few seasons of Enterprise were huge fans of the old show, and that's why so much old stuff started creeping in again.
>It just don't make sense having people like that in charge.
....but more and more that seems to be the case. (A friend of mine who works in animation says animation is run by old ladies who hate cartoons....)
>Some people will love it, but most will hate it.
I think part of the problem is that Trek has become so infused into N. American culture that it's a cliche now. So there's gonna be a certain amount of snickering form the normal folks no matter what you do, and there's gonna be rumblings from the Trekkies regardless as well.
You'd really need to do something like the old new one; with the bald guy. Something connected to the old stuff but that's actually very new. (Remember when having a Klingon in the series was WEIRD?) You have to rewrite the formula for the normal folks without offending the Trekkies. Which is why I keep stressing the "something new" thing. Using Kirk and Spock is sort of a draw; but people are coming into it with a lot of baggage as to what "Kirk" and "Spock" are. Even normal people. So you're not really capitalizing on the names: the cost outweighs the benefit.
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Ya know what I think would work? A Series(or Movie) based on Captain Pike's Enterprise. The one problem being Spock of course...but maybe it could be set before Spock joined the Crew? Anyway...Pike isn't Iconic like Kirk...and could easily be "re-cast" with out upsetting Us die hard Trek Fan's(I think
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That way We can have a Trek Series based in the timeline We all love...but without recasting Our favorite Heroes!
What'd Ya think?
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I didn't know you were Nostradamus, lol.
This will reach a brand new generations of Trekkies...these kids will embrace this movie...trust me.
The old Trek flicks were never box office monster hits (the highest was The Voyage Home with a paltry (120k take)...they only appealed to hardcore Trek fans. This version seems to be going for a much broader audience...and the finally tally is when you see its box office numbers...it's going to destroy all previous Trek flicks, lol.
You say money? Bleh?
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...and when I myself have possible doubts about this flick...I quickly turn to disasters like Trek V and the TNG flicks (except First Contact)...then it's all good in the hood...lol.
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>This will reach a brand new generations of Trekkies...these kids will embrace this movie...trust me.
I dunno if it will; not 'cos of the quality of the film, but because Trek=nerd as far as most people see it. Especially if you use so much from the original series.
>A Series(or Movie) based on Captain Pike's Enterprise.
That's the sort of thing I'd LIKE to see. But the execs probably figure there isn't enough brand recognition to warrant the risk.
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Friend at work was mentioning that the designer of the ship has actually responded to some of the criticism. There's an interesting exchange between him and the designer of the TMP ship.
Big Reaction To New Enterprise - New Designer Responds | TrekMovie.com
It's good to remember that these things are done by extremely talented people at the top of their craft who work very hard but can never please everyone. It's a thankless job and the chance of a lifetime to design something like this.This profile is no longer active.Comment
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