.........I think I'm going to be sick!

[Hector]

I'm all for it, it doesn't look that different to the classic ship design. I'm really looking forward to this movie. It looks like a breath of fresh air compaired to the stale and boring next gen movies.

Exactly.

[Hector]

This movie should not be made.

Mark my words .....

When it first comes out -- everybody is going to say how great it is ......

Within 2 weeks, it will be totally forgotten about.

When the subject is brought up 6 months later --- suddenly EVERONE is going to say they hate it (and always hated it).

I've seen this same scenario here 10 zillion times.

Sure.

[Hector]

Look at the Batmobile through the years...from the 40s movie serials, the 60s television show, Tim Burton's one...to the new Dark Knight Tumbler...all very different...and the audiences have accepted them all.

The Enterpise is no different.

In the movies...nothing is set on stone..except Mike's thick head.

[kryptosmaster]

I hate the new batmobile.
There's nothing "bat-tastic" about it.
Rich

[Hector]

...yet Dark Knight made half a billion dollars domestically.

...and there's my point.

[Mr Mego]

I'm okay with that.

Me too. I don't care if that new classic Star Trek crew with Enterprise has poor actors and slight different than TOS crew and Enterprise, I can't wait to watching that new TOS style Star Trek movie by next year on Summer, 2009!

Guys,

I don't choice one kind of Trek movies and TV series. I'm a big fan of all different kind Star Trek movies and TV series.

[The Bat]

I'll be there opening weekend...watching it with an open Mind. And if it sucks, I'll be the first to admit it...but if it's good(and they surprise us all!)...will You do the same Mikey?

[ctc]

Hmmmm....

These discussions always remind me of the music one we had a while back; especially the idea that there has to be a "right" way to do a story. The new design doesn't bother me 'cos of the design itself; I"m bothered by the idea that they felt the need to change the old design. The original Enterprise is an incredibly iconic, recognizable design. Yeah; it's silly looking, but that's part of what makes it so unique. Throw that sucker into a story and even non-Trekkies will know when the show is set. It's a valuable resource. Changing it would be like Giving Spiderman an all balck costume, or Superman an all red or all blue one, or a red Hulk, or nipples on the Bat-suit.

....er.... wait....

Changing it shows that the folks in charge are already hedging their bets. They've updated it 'cos they feel the original design is no longer "valid." That sort of thing makes me nervous 'cos I then wonder what ELSE they think isn't "valid." Precedent shows that this usually leads to a really typical story for the time, with an old name slapped on it. Why bother setting the story in the old setting if you're NOT gonna USE stuff from the old setting? Enterprise bothered me 'cos of that. (At least the first season or two.) I'd have loved to see a Daedalus or Anton class ship instead of the one they used. That bothered me right away 'cos it looked like the Glador form Perry Rhodan, with nacelles.

And THAT'S why the new design kinda bugs me. (That, and it looks like it should cut back on the donuts.) Not the design itself, but what it MAY demonstrate of the thought process of the folks making the show.

Don C.

[huedell]

^^^well, if they're not going to make strategic changes to the Original Series
vibe then why bother revisiting it in the first place in this movie?

Whatever the end result is, they are trying to make it "better"---not "worse".

And sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

There have been many errors in the past regarding this kind
of stuff...still...as "precedent", the Nolan Batman series is a
great (undisputable) example of success in reimagining a "universe".

Could work here too. i.e. it's not destined to suck.

[Mikey]

What bugs me about the design is -- if they are so trying to distance themselves from the new TV series spin-offs like Voy, Ent. etc.... Then why does everything they're doing look like it's based on them ?

It's not starting off "fresh"

It's just a rehash and extention of what's been going on for the last 20 years.

Star Trek won't be dead until the classic series has been destroyed.

Now, it's finally happening

[huedell]

No denying that re-imagining Kirk and crew is a "last gasp" manuever
---well---sometimes they work

[kryptosmaster]

...yet Dark Knight made half a billion dollars domestically.

...and there's my point.

They could've used the 1966 Batmobile and still made same money. Had nothing to do with that. I'm just saying I don't care for the new bathummer. But we have deviated from the topic at hand: I like the new enterprise but I can totally understand the purists/continuity-conscious crowd's dislike.
If this is supposed to be "in-continuity" with the rest of the ST universe then it doesn't make sense for it to look more advanced than the 79 movie enterprise. But I also understand the need to update things because let's be honest, 60's future-tech is a bit dated-looking.

Rich

[Mikey]

60's future-tech is a bit dated-looking

It's only dated looking if you compare it to what you're being spoonfed today as the "futurist look"

Back in '79 Buck Rogers used to disco dance ...
I guess they thought disco would survive into the 25th century.
Reguardless, at the time it seemed to make the show look "modern"
Today, it's a joke.

In '80, The Motion Picture Enterprise was super modern looking.
Today, suddenly SOME PEOPLE think it's not anymore.

As a society, we used the space Shuttle for almost 30 years now.
It's time is fastly ending ...
Do you know what's planned to take it's place ?
Search for Orion-Ares

Not every advance has to look like an advance.

I think the Enterprise is just fine.

The classic Enterprise is timeless

This new crap looks like it was designed in 1996

m

[ctc]

>It's only dated looking if you compare it to what you're being spoonfed today as the "futurist look"

Seriously; tell us how you REALLY feel....

I agree though. Not as angrily, mind. But I do agree. We don't know what the future is gonna look like, so there isn't any way to say what spaceships will "realisticly" look like 200 years from now. So anything you want to do is "correct."

Like I said before though; for most people there HAS to be a "winner." An idea that represents the "correct" way to do things, and yeah; the new Enterprise fits the current idea. The plate work, the little lights, the weird little ridges and grooves along all the surfaces.... I think it's a shame to lose the look of the old. Check out the pic Mike posted. It's chunky lookin', the skin looks featureless, almost like a battleship hull. Minimal lights, minimal openings (which is a good thing in space....) It LOOKS like a prototype compared to the newer designs from the more recent shows.

....and I think that's great; 'cos it IS. This design looks too much like the ships from 100 years in it's future. I hate that 'cos it makes everything look the same.

>I guess they thought disco would survive into the 25th century.

EVERYTHING becomes dated sooner or later. It can't be helped. But that's 'cos all shows are fixed in time. WHEN they were made has a HUGE effect on WHAT was made. One of the things that makes me leary of reimaginings is that you invariaby lose something based on when the redo is done.

Don C.

[Mikey]

This makes me wonder .....

Is CBS planning to re-edit the original series AGAIN --- but this time add this crap Enterprise in the CGI scenes ?

If so, the Classic Series tinkering will never end.

They'll be re-edited every few years until there's nothing Classic left .

Hmmm,

I think I discovered their plan ....

Get rid of the classic series SLOWLY and maybe nobody will notice.

I refuse to happily bend over for them.