Boo to Nemesis

[UnderdogDJLSW]

To me Nemesis copied The Wrath of Kahn in plot. Especially at the end where the ship is going to blow up and Spock...ooops Data saves it. If you think about it the whole B4 thing is just like Spock transfering his Katra over to McCoy, too.

[Sideshow Spock]

I need to correct myself. Geordi wasn't turned into a Klingon killing machine in Generations. Just kidnapped and brainwashed by Klingons. But pretty much it was along the same lines in the tv series.

In an ep of the TNG series, Geordi was surreptitiously kidnapped and brainwashed by Romulans to assassinate a Klingon governor. In Generations, Geordi had his visor surreptitiously modified while in the custody of Soran so that upon returning to the Enterprise, Soran and his Klingon sisters allies could see what Geordi sees, which they quickly put to use by determining the Enterprise's shield frequency and then attacking.

At least the surreptitious part was similar..

[Dave Mc]

There wasn't a decent TNG film, IMO.

I was always a TNG fan. When that show hit it's stride, it was very good. Seasons 2-5 were really good. But it didn't go in the theater. It's not because TNG sucked, it's because the stories were just plain bad. Trek got pretty consistently bad around the time of ST5 and after, in all it's forms. There were some bright spots here and there, but STV5, all the TNG movies, the final season of TNG, half of DS9, all of Voyager... let's face it, you could be pretty certain when you started watching anything trek in that time period, it was going to suck.

[david_b]

It seems as if around Voyage Home the whole mentality of Trek writers
changed from---less science fictiony dry material---to more "fun" stuff
---like, you know, that Tribbles episode----I liked it not because
it was "funny"---but because it was "fun"

VERY good point, and that's the difference between 'Voyage Home' and 'Final Frontier' (Shatner's outing..) - The former was fun, the latter was 'trying' to be funny, and pretty much embarrassed the secondary characters (Scotty hitting a beam, Sulu/Chekov getting lost..) in Shatner's attempt to hog the spotlight.

Both TOS and NG are products of their genre's, although obviously NG was getting comfortable in telling stories by Year 3.. TOS never had that comfort level, 'cept for their classic 2nd year stories like 'Babel', 'Tribbles' and 'Doomsday Machine'.

[wolfie]

I still liked it.!

...........and all the other films. I think you are all being too picky, just sit back and enjoy them for what they are.

[Earth 2 Chris]

I haven't seen Nemesis. It took me several seasons to warm up to TNG (basically after Wesely Crusher was jetisoned). First Contact had it's moments, but it did seem forced to suddenly make Picard a butt-kicker in the Kirk tradition. Only the opening moments of Generation with the Enterprise-B ring true to me. Kirk is wildly out of character in the later parts of the film, and the TNG parts are indeed just plain boring. Insurrection was forgettable two-feet out of the theater. So I didn't have much desire to see Nemesis, and then I heard from the faithful it blew chunks. One day, I'll have to see for myself, but I'm in no hurry.

Chris

[Gorn Captain]

I think it's time we all left Nemesis alone.
It's just a movie, it didn't make itself, so therefore cannot help being what it is.
Leave Nemesis be!!!

(PS: I still love you, Nemesis....)

[Hector]

First Contact was great...I love that film.

As far as the other TNG flicks...blah.