5th time is not a charm for Mark David Chapman

[BlackKnight]

So, who else thinks Mego Batman sucks if it ain't a RC Batman?

I have to disagree. I only had the non rc 8" Batman when I was a Kid,.. so it's because Of him,.. that I am here today.

[huedell]

Yes saildog---I'll just wish everyone a good weekend---
I gotta run----but ...

I'LL BE BACK

[AUSSIE-Rebooted-AMM]

I'm nobody, but I honestly care for everyone here.

There are good people on either side of this argument and to the board, at large, this is argument is relative. However, some of our number have personal experience that makes any argument seem silly.

This thread is political and potentially religious and we all normally do our best to meet on less divisive terms.

Again, I'm nobody, but let's let this thread go and get back to what we all come here for.

So, who else thinks Mego Batman sucks if it ain't a RC Batman?

SORRY saildog. . .I was writing my post before your went up.

I agree. . .I gotta do my I COLLECT MEGO's BECAUSE post yet. Thanks for pointing the way.

[AUSSIE-Rebooted-AMM]

The answer, if there is one, is lifetime incarceration, without possiblity of parole, and in a "death-row" type setting. This removes the perpetrator not only from society at large but also from the general prison population. It also takes away the chance the state may have the wrong person, in such cases where this is a possibility.

This is humane, moral, punitive and logically sound. I hope that one day we may put this system into operation instead of the one we currently have.

If such a system could be relied on Vort, . . . but it can't . . .it is almost impossible to get anyone into prison in the first place anymore over here. . .I know that isn't the case where you are necessarily.

A guy here in Brisbane punched a complete stranger in the face, king hitting him. . .passing him on the street, never having met him before. He said he thought the guy said something to him he didn't like. . . but could not recall what it was because he was drunk.

This poor young guy out on a night on the town. . .never wakes up. . . .DEAD.

Goes to court. . . the guy gets off. . .didn't mean to kill him. . . .no conviction. . . walks free. This even though probably 10 to 20 people have died in Queensland here in the last 5 years the same way. . . .no where here can possibly believe anymore that a king hit won't kill. It is a regular event now where we live.

YET, . . .you get off. The guy later gets involved in something very similar. . .gets off again.

Another similar case gets off a few months later.

A well known paedophile here ( Ferguson ). . . .worst seriel offended known publically here in Queensland. . . goes before the Judge. Even though he is yet again charged with interfering with a 5 year old girl. . . the judge rules. . .because of his well known status and previous reported convictions that he can't get a fair trial. . . .so he is let out to live in a community population YET again.

Do I have any faith in the legal system doing the right thing EVER. . . . .NO. . . the criminal justice system is a totally broken system that in no way has justice. . .at its core. Not here in Queensland anyway. . . .and never heard of anyone being sentenced to life meaning life. I think most folk would be out within 15 years. . . no matter what the crime.

[saildog]

I'm nobody, but I honestly care for everyone here.

There are good people on either side of this argument and to the board, at large, this is argument is relative. However, some of our number have personal experience that makes any argument seem silly.

This thread is political and potentially religious and we all normally do our best to meet on less divisive terms.

Again, I'm nobody, but let's let this thread go and get back to what we all come here for.

So, who else thinks Mego Batman sucks if it ain't a RC Batman?

[Seeker]

As long as we want to talk about history and the world at large.

Yeah it would be kind of pointless to talk about ethnic cleansing, genocide,(Africa, Eastern Europe) the crime rate, murders , assasinations (particularly south and latin america) or the middle east. Or discuss the prison systems in Russia and most of Asia minor. (Lets just say they don't coddle prisoners with cable TV and such)

We could mention the Nuremburg trials. I dont recall too many countries arguing about the death penalty then.
Or are you also against the current Iraqi War crimes convictions?
Didnt see to many candlelight visuals in the US protesting that one.

An eye for an eye is wrong? One for 10 to 15? (Average serial killer)? One for a thousand?

Would you have a problem putting down a rabid dog? Sure its sick, its dangerous, and there is no way you can make it better.

Would you lock it up, try to keep it fed and such (Endangering the workers who have to go in a care for it) till it died naturally?

[Vortigern99]

The answer, if there is one, is lifetime incarceration, without possiblity of parole, and in a "death-row" type setting. This removes the perpetrator not only from society at large but also from the general prison population. It also takes away the chance the state may have the wrong person, in such cases where this is a possibility.

This is humane, moral, punitive and logically sound. I hope that one day we may put this system into operation instead of the one we currently have.

[AUSSIE-Rebooted-AMM]

Also, there is the matter of wrongful incrimination. DNA evidence has in the last few years exonerated a number of people once headed for death row, and has even shown that some people have been wrongly executed. [I]Those are deaths that happened as a result of this system you guys are supporting.

I do have to admit. . .it is always hard to argue this point. This does happen and I certainly have very little trust left in police. . . corruption is rife in virtually every force in the world. . .even if only amongst a MINORITY (sorry I had written majority by mistake) of law enforcement officers. . . but it is there.

But I still believe there are cases that are beyond doubt that probably justify it. I really don't know what the answer is though. It is just a really tough issue isn't it.

[AUSSIE-Rebooted-AMM]

Being a meat packer myself I gotta say, I hate when I am out in the bar and inevitably some drunk recognizes me and starts in with the "hey man, pack some meat for us", "c'mon do that funny meat pack thing" or "hey, do that line from the day you packed that meat in the wrong container" Equally annoying is when they start quoting great meat packing lines I have said or worse still when they try to act them out.

But, it is something I accepted when I joined the glamorous world of meat packing. I knew what I was getting into. It isn't all bright lights and sweet, sweet smells, my friends.

LMAO. Tired of the dudes coming up and doing the whole Air-Meating packing thing!

[huedell]

Because they are rich and whatever - people often put more stock in their beliefs. . .when these can often be without any real informed basis, or experience in the area. I think my point is they may take positions often from popular opinion or an ill informed basis, with little or no experience in the areas they wish to push their beliefs or agendas. . . .and then those positions are held in such high esteem. . . .without any real reason for them to be so. . . . .if that makes any sense.

This is a traditional stereotype that I believe Lennon did not fall into.

I guess that pretty much sums up why we'd see differently
regarding Lennon specifically Aussie.

Yeah, ironically I thought Lennon was pretty much a jerk---just from my
humble vantage point---(and that had a lot to do with where he came from
and how I interpret it personally---and I admittedly could be wrong)

BUT, I did see Lennon as being--- not only looking to improve himself
with a passion----but also as a well-educated guy doing such.

Lennon WAS in touch with a lot of realities, as far as I'd estimate---
Yeah ---he wasn't really "in the trenches" (he was pretty busy being
one of the most influential artists of the modern era)----but he
seemed to hone in on injustice
in a way unlike most people---celebrity or otherwise.

Sometimes it TAKES being rich----putting the monetary worries
to rest in order to focus on other things--- to find out the realities of life
around you....you just have to be wise and passionate about it.

It goes both ways.

[AUSSIE-Rebooted-AMM]

Well Vort, regarding what Aussie said re: rich performers---I'm saying
for the record that whether you're "rich" or "poor" economically
----sometimes it just sucks being an artist--

--particularly an entertainer---as for some reason, people like to look at entertainers
as being petty or egotistical or "take your pick" -----and this then nullifies their views.

It's bull.

As non-entertainers/celebs are so fond of saying----artists, celebs and other
entertainers are only human---and no different than any one else---

That MEANS something.

It means that entertainers views are as valid as others and their views should be
respected as such.

You can't have it both ways, saying certain people are "only human" to "knock 'em
down a peg"----and then hold them to all kinds of standards and stereotypes
based on the fact that they're "different"

The fact REALLY is that EVERYBODY is "different".

Everybody lives a different lifestyle but are still human for cripes' sake
......and yes, rich people----artists--celebs
----and otherwise suppposedly "well off" people are just as susceptible
to pain, problems and predicaments as everyone else....and they should
be viewed as such...with the same expectations you'd give towards any other
Joe on the street....and the same RESPECT.

Because they are rich and whatever - people often put more stock in their beliefs. . .when these can often be without any real informed basis, or experience in the area. I think my point is they may take positions often from popular opinion or an ill informed basis, with little or no experience in the areas they wish to push their beliefs or agendas. . . .and then those positions are held in such high esteem. . . .without any real reason for them to be so. . . . .if that makes any sense.

[AUSSIE-Rebooted-AMM]

Rich, famous people with too much money and free time. . . .protected from the normal day to day stressors of life. . . .often afford to have unrealistic views as well. . . .that the rest of us can't afford to share. Nothing specific to John necessarilly here. . . just an over generalisation that often times is true.

Just for the record, I am not rich, famous, nor in possession of too much time on my hands. Also, Buddhists are not rich and famous, though I suppose one might be able to accuse them of having too much time on their hands. Further, most of the populations and governments of the EU, Canada, Mexico, Greenland, Australia, most of South America, much of Africa, and some Asian countries are neither rich nor famous, nor, I suspect, do they have too much time on their hands.

And yet all of us share this simple credo with John Lennon: Capital punishment is wrong.

Sorry Vort, I posted my above post before seeing this one of yours. I just think you have a strong opinion which you are entitled too. . .no doubt about that. . .but I don't think you should try to justify that position by trying to claim you are in the majority of the world view.

I also don't believe that majority positions are always the correct ones anyway. Many times a minority may have the most moral or best justified views or position on a subject.

Seeker and I have a different view from yours. . . because we confront some of these issues on a daily basis. I laugh, work with, and care for people in my daily job. . . .that I believe pose far too much risk too innocent people and children. . . and would rather not see released on the streets, but know that our - self-destructuive and overly tolerant society will release. . . .to pertertrate more carnage upon its innocent members.

[huedell]

Well Vort, regarding what Aussie said re: rich performers---I'm saying
for the record that whether you're "rich" or "poor" economically
----sometimes it just sucks being an artist--

--particularly an entertainer---as for some reason, people like to look at entertainers
as being petty or egotistical or "take your pick" -----and this then nullifies their views.

It's bull.

As non-entertainers/celebs are so fond of saying----artists, celebs and other
entertainers are only human---and no different than any one else---

That MEANS something.

It means that entertainers views are as valid as others and their views should be
respected as such.

You can't have it both ways, saying certain people are "only human" to "knock 'em
down a peg"----and then hold them to all kinds of standards and stereotypes
based on the fact that they're "different"

The fact REALLY is that EVERYBODY is "different".

Everybody lives a different lifestyle but are still human for cripes' sake
......and yes, rich people----artists--celebs
----and otherwise suppposedly "well off" people are just as susceptible
to pain, problems and predicaments as everyone else....and they should
be viewed as such...with the same expectations you'd give towards any other
Joe on the street....and the same RESPECT.

[AUSSIE-Rebooted-AMM]

Vortigern99
. . . but the EU, Canada, Mexico, Australia, Greenland, many African nations, some of South America and other scattered countries across the world disagree with your line of reasoning and utterly reject your position.

. . .Again, the majority of nations in the world disagrees with you, Seeker.

. . . Europe, Canada (whose murder rate is practically nil), and many US states, among other nations of the world, have stricken the death penalty from their lawbooks, and many others -- including in South America, Russia and most of Africa -- have not practiced their existing execution laws for the last decade or more.

. . . .You are entitled to your opinion, but you are by far in the minority of the sum total of world opinion in this.

I really don't know if this position holds any water. I suspect more countries in the world still have some form of capital punishment than not. . .I wouldn't know. . . but you can't name a few countries and then say that.

And in countries like here in Australia where it is no longer practiced. . . you will find the majority of people are still for it, but the pollies and the political parties are just too scared to touch the political hot potato.

I have from personal experience found that the law is a pitiful and weak excuse for any form of justice, often none at all. . . and am surprised that more vigilante justice isn't dispensed.

I could personally give a rats buttocks about it be a deterant. . . some folks crimes surpass any requirement to consider them human there after and require removal from the gene pool, and this life. Like Seeker I have worked with some. . .that I genuinely believe require such removal. . . for the safety of innocent people and very often children. The law does little to keep people locked up for very long over here.

Some folks kill here and get let off. . . it is totally insane. No prison time at all. . . it makes you sick.

We live in Dangerous times because of the tolerance and uninformed naive good will of a few, that have never had to deal with these people or lost loved ones from evil and dangerous people.

And with regards to the few reports of family's calling for love and forgivess. . . the example of a small number providing anecdoatal evidence. . .in no way. . .out numbers that majority that would far rather see justice done. . . I believe anyway.

[Vortigern99]

Rich, famous people with too much money and free time. . . .protected from the normal day to day stressors of life. . . .often afford to have unrealistic views as well. . . .that the rest of us can't afford to share. Nothing specific to John necessarilly here. . . just an over generalisation that often times is true.

Just for the record, I am not rich, famous, nor in possession of too much time on my hands. Also, Buddhists are not rich and famous, though I suppose one might be able to accuse them of having too much time on their hands. Further, most of the populations and governments of the EU, Canada, Mexico, Greenland, Australia, most of South America, much of Africa, and some Asian countries are neither rich nor famous, nor, I suspect, do they have too much time on their hands.

And yet all of us share this simple credo with John Lennon: Capital punishment is wrong.