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  • jessica
    fortune favors the bold
    • Nov 5, 2007
    • 4590

    #31
    Originally posted by huedell
    Sounds like a WEIRD AL title
    Here's a version of the song...it's not the version I have though...

    Andrews Sisters Strip Polka - Song - MP3 Stream on IMEEM Music
    Those who look outside dream. Those who look within awake.
    Samples of my work are found here: Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness

    To do list:
    1:6 boots for Mathilda, 1:1 Romulan Commander outfit, Ursus helmet; Cornelius appliance
    1:9 scale ape's new suit for Cornelius;

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    • huedell
      Museum Ball Eater
      • Dec 31, 2003
      • 11069

      #32
      Originally posted by type1kirk
      It all boils down to rap music being a forum for the untalented masses.

      How many rap musicians can actually sing ?
      How many rap musicians can play an instrument ?
      How many rap musicians can write music ?

      They just stand there and TALK

      I'm really surprised this phoney medium has lasted this long.
      Okay Mike---let's say I asked YOU to put together a RAP
      performance....maybe THEN you'd see it wasn't as simple
      as "standing there talking"

      C'mon you're a grown man----you DO realize there's a difference
      between "hating" something and "not understanding it"

      From your posts it appears you know nothing about the rap genre
      or the artists that populate it

      And I guarantee that many RAP artists CAN do all the things
      that you've listed---the BEASTIE BOYS are one of the best
      rock/jazz/funk/punk bands ever---
      "No. No no no no no no. You done got me talkin' politics. I didn't wanna'. Like I said y'all, I'm just happy to be alive. I think I'll scoot over here right by this winda', let this beautiful carriage rock me to sleep, and dream about how lucky I am." - Chris Mannix

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      • Mikey
        Verbose Member
        • Aug 9, 2001
        • 47258

        #33
        Okay Mike---let's say I asked YOU to put together a RAP
        performance


        Roses are red
        Violets are blue
        Rap music sucks
        And so do .........

        Just kidding Hue

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        • megomonkey
          Persistent Member
          • Jan 24, 2002
          • 1529

          #34
          15 or so years ago, when Slick Rick was in prison, I was briefly detained by Correctional Facilty guards, then questioned by State Police- for marching in front of the Pen with a friend wearing "Free Slick Rick" sandwich boards. To this day, I wonder if he heard we were there.

          Slick Rick, above all others, though there are a few close, does it all, in my view. A genius, a poet, a social commentator, as honest a reflection of his contemporary world as any poet in our language.

          I'm old and white now, however, and out of the demo. I haven't bought any new hip-hop in years. I loves me the reggae now....

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          • jessica
            fortune favors the bold
            • Nov 5, 2007
            • 4590

            #35
            Originally posted by megomonkey
            I loves me the reggae now....
            Wish I could stream music at work, but I'm not allowed. I miss listening to dancehall.
            Those who look outside dream. Those who look within awake.
            Samples of my work are found here: Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness

            To do list:
            1:6 boots for Mathilda, 1:1 Romulan Commander outfit, Ursus helmet; Cornelius appliance
            1:9 scale ape's new suit for Cornelius;

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            • grayhank
              That Fisher Price Guy
              • Feb 9, 2007
              • 1134

              #36
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              Last edited by grayhank; Aug 11, '08, 10:46 AM.
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              • megomonkey
                Persistent Member
                • Jan 24, 2002
                • 1529

                #37
                Originally posted by grayhank
                Rap is spoken monotone poetry set to a beat.
                I respectfully disagree. Please check out Slick Rick's "Sittin' in My Car", for one good example of rap and song meeting in the Funk Delta.

                Even monotone, everyday vocal speech is a series of different, deliberate pitches, set to a specific (albeit variable) meter, or time.

                It's music. All sound is music. In my humblest of opinions.

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                • Overkill
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 19, 2007
                  • 303

                  #38
                  Originally posted by megomonkey
                  I respectfully disagree. Please check out Slick Rick's "Sittin' in My Car", for one good example of rap and song meeting in the Funk Delta.

                  Even monotone, everyday vocal speech is a series of different, deliberate pitches, set to a specific (albeit variable) meter, or time.

                  It's music. All sound is music. In my humblest of opinions.
                  Agreed.

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                  • grayhank
                    That Fisher Price Guy
                    • Feb 9, 2007
                    • 1134

                    #39
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                    Last edited by grayhank; Aug 11, '08, 10:45 AM.
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                    • Overkill
                      Veteran Member
                      • Oct 19, 2007
                      • 303

                      #40
                      Originally posted by grayhank
                      Yeah, after listening to that I stand by what I said. There is no singing there, it's cadence spoken over a rhythm track. To call that singing is the equivalent of somebody picking up a guitar who doesn't know how to play one and just strumming it repetitively. Just because they are making a noise from it does not equate them to being a guitarist.

                      Try listening to the acapella group The Flying Pickets who sing without the aid of instruments if you really want to know what the human voice is capable of doing. I'd recommend their version of "Every Little Thing She Does is Magic" originally by the Police.

                      I thought the main arguement here was if rap was music or not. If music needs singing in order for it to be music, then by that basis, classical isn't considered music?
                      Last edited by Overkill; Jun 12, '08, 7:45 PM.

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                      • twilitezoner
                        Veteran Member
                        • Nov 18, 2007
                        • 303

                        #41
                        Does Shatner's Rocket Man count as Rap? Shatner practically invented Rap with his rendition of Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds.

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                        • grayhank
                          That Fisher Price Guy
                          • Feb 9, 2007
                          • 1134

                          #42
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                          • Overkill
                            Veteran Member
                            • Oct 19, 2007
                            • 303

                            #43
                            Originally posted by grayhank
                            Who said that? Nope music does not singing to be classified as music. But notes and a melody are certainly essential. Let's see the sheet music to some of these rap songs...oh right there isn't any because the notes would look like:

                            o o o o o YEAH! o o o o o UH-HUH o o o o o 'hic' o o o o o YO!


                            TUNE in TOMORROW FOLKS where we discuss Andy Warhol vs Pablo Picasso in "What Is Art? here in the General Buzz.

                            And don't miss Saturday's topic. Paper vs Plastic.
                            My bad. I think I read your post wrong. I didn't realize you were also talking about the music. For some reason I thought you were just talking about the singing. Nevermind!

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                            • megomonkey
                              Persistent Member
                              • Jan 24, 2002
                              • 1529

                              #44
                              Rap/Hip-Hop is music.

                              To be so dismissive of this world-changing musical genre is making the point the original MC's were trying to make: We've heard your universe of influences, your crappy Top 40, your TV shows, your video games, your well-educated acapella groups, and there's nothing there that's OURS, and now we're cutting it up into little pieces, deconstructing the original into a raging beat-filled wall, over which OUR disenfranchised message is delivered.

                              Saying Rap is not music is exactly like saying Matisse's later paper cuts aren't art, they're just some dude with scissors.

                              Saying "There is no singing there, it's cadence spoken over a rhythm track", is ignorantly dismissing not only rap, but a great deal of world music, including the ancient African dances from where rap's origins can be traced.

                              It's the same Imperialist, Euro-centric naivete that could look at Amer-Indian dances and historical songs as dancers around a drum just talkin' their "Hi-ya-hi-ya" bit, being too "ignorant" to make real "music". Being a Mohawk and Algonquin descendant myself, perhaps I'm overly sensitive, but I hear some subtle similarities....

                              I urge the non-believers of my point to seek out and peruse the Slick Rick catalog, alone, before leaping to such conclusions....











                              Plus, in my opinion, it's cooler than The Flying Pickets



                              PS. Grayhank, I love your F-P stuff, we can't be THAT different, right?!!

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                              • ctc
                                Fear the monkeybat!
                                • Aug 16, 2001
                                • 11183

                                #45
                                >Slick Rick, above all others, though there are a few close, does it all, in my view.

                                That's why I think you have to differentiate time periods. I really believe there have been NO worthwhile rap artists in the last 8 years. The last crop were all about selling an image. Musicly there was no experimentation. Hell; most of 'em used sampled music for their backgrounds. Not too many folks WROTE anything. (I used to try and guess what song the chords were originally from when the folks at work played their stuff.)

                                I wasn't too big a fan of the first wave either; but you can forgive them since they were developing something new. (It was like country music.... without the fiddles.) Some of the second wave were alright, since they added a lot musicly to the old school beat box and scratch boards.

                                >cadence spoken over a rhythm track.

                                Country music!

                                >equivalent of somebody picking up a guitar who doesn't know how to play one and just strumming it repetitively.

                                Alternative!

                                >Try listening to the acapella group The Flying Pickets

                                Hmmmm.... my tastes sort of go the OTHER way:

                                YouTube - NIGHTWISH:PLANET HELL

                                Don C.

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