Is Sabbath, Zeppelin & Alice METAL ?

[Beatnik]

Hmmmmmmmm, Trouble without Wagner??????? I dunno about that, his vocals are so much a part of their sound.

As for Priest/Maiden. I was a huge Maiden fan right up through Piece Of Mind, kinda lost me after that. Never even thought of comparing the two bands, totally different approaches, how could you?

Clive Burr was a definite loss for Maiden, as was Les Binks in Priest. Don't get me wrong, Nicko is a good drummer ("Piece Of Mind" and Travers "Life In London" are excellent examples), just started to all sound the same after a while to me. As for Priest, Dave Holland.............

This is from a drummers perspective.

[The Sentry]

And I could never understand that whole "Maiden vs. Priest" mentality that alot of fans took. Why was it a competition? Both bands were/are awesome, and quite different from each other, I might add. That's one thing that's always irked me about the metal scene, how so many metalheads were always so quick to pick sides and bicker with each other about bands, styles, etc. Kinda goes back to what we were saying earlier about the folly of trying to categorize everything, when so much stuff defies easy categorization anyhow.

I never heard one fan of one bad mouth the other so to say, but they were territorial, ya know? I never got that with the people around here. You were Maiden people or Priest People. Yeah drama was always a staple too. *sighs* the one thing I did dislke about it. Very much like rap in that respect. No one could get along, but what the Hell am I talking about, we as Americans have bigger problems right now rather than who would win a wrestling match, beetween Eddie and Alister Fiend (The Crue's short-lived mascot)

[The Sentry]

Hey there Sentry, nice post you made in reponse to mine, some interesting points....

One thing I want to address though, was your statement about bands with "cookie monster vocals with no soul". I think that's maybe a generalization that's not completely fair, to be honest. My band utilises quite a bit of those "cookie monster" vocals but we have plenty of feeling and soul in our music as well. Yeah your Cannibal Corpse variety of metal bands are pretty much all brutality and no feel, to some degree, but there are others of us out there who are trying to do a more interesting blend of styles, incorporating the brutal heavier stuff along with elements of prog, folk, and traditional hard rock/metal. Another band who comes to mind that follows this parth are OPETH, or bands like MY DYING BRIDE, to name only a couple. I realise that the death metal vocal style is not for everyone but I hope that maybe people can give it an open-minded listen because there's alot more to bands like mine and the others like us than just mindless crunch and brutality. I'm just as influenced by Pink Floyd and Trouble and The Doors as I am Morbid Angel and Slayer, and I think it's reflected in the stuff we write (or at least we're trying!)

Oh good call on the Warrior Soul mention. Always loved that band. Kory is singing for the band TROUBLE now, some Chicago area heroes/friends of mine, can't wait to see how that pairing works out.

Thanks, I have been a Kory fan since 1989 when I hear "We Cry Out" I was "blown away". I even liked "Dirty Rig" Oh yeah? Wow! Cool! I always liked them. Now to the what you said atop.........


I think your band sounds great! Yeah, there is some of that, but it's in different keys, monotone stuff is boring to me. But I can understand your Vocalist.

There are alot of these younger bands around here that are doing stuff that sounds so much alike I get headaches. I mean the whole set sounds like one song with long pauses. So I hear that alot more than whats out in the mainstream.

You are right it is an aqquired taste. But hey, to each his own.

[nvmbrsdoom5]

And I could never understand that whole "Maiden vs. Priest" mentality that alot of fans took. Why was it a competition? Both bands were/are awesome, and quite different from each other, I might add. That's one thing that's always irked me about the metal scene, how so many metalheads were always so quick to pick sides and bicker with each other about bands, styles, etc. Kinda goes back to what we were saying earlier about the folly of trying to categorize everything, when so much stuff defies easy categorization anyhow.

[nvmbrsdoom5]

Hey there Sentry, nice post you made in reponse to mine, some interesting points....

One thing I want to address though, was your statement about bands with "cookie monster vocals with no soul". I think that's maybe a generalization that's not completely fair, to be honest. My band utilises quite a bit of those "cookie monster" vocals but we have plenty of feeling and soul in our music as well. Yeah your Cannibal Corpse variety of metal bands are pretty much all brutality and no feel, to some degree, but there are others of us out there who are trying to do a more interesting blend of styles, incorporating the brutal heavier stuff along with elements of prog, folk, and traditional hard rock/metal. Another band who comes to mind that follows this parth are OPETH, or bands like MY DYING BRIDE, to name only a couple. I realise that the death metal vocal style is not for everyone but I hope that maybe people can give it an open-minded listen because there's alot more to bands like mine and the others like us than just mindless crunch and brutality. I'm just as influenced by Pink Floyd and Trouble and The Doors as I am Morbid Angel and Slayer, and I think it's reflected in the stuff we write (or at least we're trying!)

Oh good call on the Warrior Soul mention. Always loved that band. Kory is singing for the band TROUBLE now, some Chicago area heroes/friends of mine, can't wait to see how that pairing works out.

[The Sentry]

Black Sabbath is definitely the roots of metal, then came Judas Priest to further define "Heavy Metal". And let's not forget Jethro Tull, that's what the idiots running the machine thought was "Metal".

Don't forget Budgie, from whom Metallica ripped a few from.

YouTube - BUDGIE - BREADFAN

I hear ya man, I love Tull, but I agree they aren't "Metal" I mean Aqualung and Locomotive Breath, and Cross-Eyed Mary comes as close to that.

But, I think Maiden did more, but I always knew people who liked Priest or Maiden didn't listen to the other very much. I knew dozens of people who were Priest fans and Maiden fans but either side knows much about the other, you were pretty one way with the 2 of them. A musical "Fork in the Road". I bet there are people out there who love them equally, but I have never met one! But I do respect Priest, "Turbo" and the "Priest Live" were some shining moments IMO. But 1987 was a golden year for music for me Heavy Metal all the way!

Breadfan is one of the best covers Metallica did IMO also.........now.........

YouTube - Sammy Davis Jr. - The Candy Man (1972)

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.........to YOU sir, I see your Sammy Davis Jr. and raise you 2 SUPERSTARS!!!!!!!!!
YouTube - Tina Turner Tom Jones - Hot Legs

[Mikey]

YouTube - Sammy Davis Jr. - The Candy Man (1972)

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[Beatnik]

Black Sabbath is definitely the roots of metal, then came Judas Priest to further define "Heavy Metal". And let's not forget Jethro Tull, that's what the idiots running the machine thought was "Metal".

Don't forget Budgie, from whom Metallica ripped a few from.

YouTube - BUDGIE - BREADFAN

[The Sentry]

very cool dude! no arguments here, it's metal in my book.(look, the smileys headbanging)

Thanks abunch mate! I really did like that Sleep song, gunna have to get more of that!

[4NDR01D]

very cool dude! no arguments here, it's metal in my book.(look, the smileys headbanging)

[The Sentry]

I haven't heard that Zeke song before, I have Super Sound Racing, Kicked in the Teeth and The Living End and I loved all 3 disks! Great stuff there! HoF as always was great too. Thanks for the vids mate!

OH! You should check out "The Black Keys" too. Great blues band from Ohio! Amazing stuff there!

[4NDR01D]

YouTube - Sleep - Dragonaut

[The Sentry]

YouTube - ZEKE - Mountain Man

Hope that link works Haven't tried to link anything yet.
I guess being for West Virginia you can relate to the whole "mountain man" thing huh?(maybe this grin should be missing a tooth tho!)

Dude, yeah you have no idea! *sighs*

Oh and while your at it, in my sig under the pic of Hulk is my bands myspace, tell me what you think there, while your checking out new stuff! OJ from Byzantine produced our 4 song demo. I'm rather proud of it. Hope you enjoy it.

[4NDR01D]

YouTube - HIGH ON FIRE - Rumors of War

[4NDR01D]

Now I do like Zeke (I own 3 CD's!), Mastadon, and HoF. My old band opened for them and Clutch in 2005, great fellas they were. Oh, and don't forget Orange Goblin, good stuff too! If you like HoF you would like them!

YouTube - ZEKE - Mountain Man

Hope that link works Haven't tried to link anything yet.
I guess being for West Virginia you can relate to the whole "mountain man" thing huh?(maybe this grin should be missing a tooth tho!)