Obligatory Avenger's Thread

[sprytel]

My wife mentioned the Hulk thing. I chalked it up to Banner and all the heroes being influenced by Loki's staff right before his 1st transformation. The paranoia didn't wear off on the simple-minded Hulk.

Yep, that is my take as well. Banner was under Loki's influence at that point. Then the fall to earth snapped him out of it... just like when Hawkeye got a blow to the head.

[nobody]

I dunno, just seems a little like exploitation to me.

I have no idea what that means.

[emeraldknight47]

I have no idea what that means.

Ditto here. I don't see anything "exploitative" about THE AVENGERS at all. "Explosive", yes, but exploitative, no.....!

[spacecaps]

Yep, that is my take as well. Banner was under Loki's influence at that point. Then the fall to earth snapped him out of it... just like when Hawkeye got a blow to the head.

Sigh..I guess that's the best explanation. I actually thought about that scenario myself but after thinking it over for a few days it really bothers me. The movie should have done something to address it directly without having anyone guess since it was a major plot point in the first half of the film and then completely dismissed for the second half. There's so much misdirection in moves these day it amazes me that no one involved with the script of this movie stood up and said, " Um guys..we should probably address this inconsistent Hulk thing in our movie." Just a throw away line like how they explained how Hawkeye came out of Loki's trance would have been better than nothing at all. It really shouldn't take a fan of the movie to post a question online to figure out a crucial story line within a movie a that has been in the works for five years.

[Funkyterrance]

Ditto here. I don't see anything "exploitative" about THE AVENGERS at all. "Explosive", yes, but exploitative, no.....!

If in "explosive" you mean like diarrhea, sure. I am just a little tired of these Hollywood renditions of classic comic book heroes aimed at squeezing every last drop out of them, more often than not spoiling them, all for the sake of the almighty dollar. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, its just my personal reaction. I'd rather read an old comic book.

[emeraldknight47]

If in "explosive" you mean like diarrhea, sure. I am just a little tired of these Hollywood renditions of classic comic book heroes aimed at squeezing every last drop out of them, more often than not spoiling them, all for the sake of the almighty dollar. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, its just my personal reaction. I'd rather read an old comic book.

I'm not quite sure how you're perceiving THE AVENGERS as "squeezing every last drop out of them, more often than not spoiling them, all for the sake of the almighty dollar." I mean, from the very get go, IRON MAN was basically a set up FOR THE AVENGERS, so for them all to be in the movie is only a logical extension of the characters' individual movie arcs. Plus, you've got a certified comics geek in Joss Whedon steering the Helicarrier, so to speak. The way I look at it, it's a win-win situation....

[YoungOnce]

Yeah... I loved the comic books growing up too, but my inner-geek child loves being able to see these characters up on the big screen, larger than life.

Are they trying to sell me a movie? Sure... just like they were trying to sell me a comicbook back in the day. Sometimes you have to just let go and regress back to your un-cynical kid-state.

Isn't that kind of what we are doing here with Megos?

[Funkyterrance]

Hey, I'm just voicing my opinion, I don't have a problem with anyone liking the new slew of movies about my their comic book characters, I just get a bad taste in my mouth every time I view one, like I am being manipulated or something. I never felt or feel that way reading old comics, some of the newer ones maybe...
I somewhat resent being called cynical because in general I'm not. I just have a better understanding of what's going on that I used to. If a kid watches a movie and loves it, I'm not going to dump on it but I feel somewhat entitled to being critical on here. I also am not trying to rob anyone of their joy of seeing the characters in a new dimension on-screen, tbh I am envious you all can enjoy it for that aspect. I however, cannot turn off my "being raped" switch.
And I have to say this, if the makers of this movie thought they could pawn off a movie with someone cheaper without all the comic-bookey knowledge they would have to save money. The best way to **** off comic book readers is to be inconsistent with a comic so it affects bottom line to be sure. Also, hes getting paid dearly for his work. I am just fed up with Hollywood in general, I can still appreciate genuine creativity though, I'm not completely callused.

[boss]

before this turns into a who's the more evolved comic book nerd argument, let's relax and realize we're all entitled to our opinions. It's all good.

P.S. I mean "nerd" in the most non-offensive, positive way.

[Gorn Captain]

I for one am grateful that we're finally getting some quality movies about comic book characters. I'm one of those veterans who had to make do with a seeing a guy in striped PJs pretending to be Captain America. Talk about bargain basement comic book movies...
The new Avengers movie is not perfect, but it's a great ride, it's respectful, it's well-made, it's like....a great comic book...

Now if they just give Hawkeye some decent threads...

[emeraldknight47]

before this turns into a who's the more evolved comic book nerd argument, let's relax and realize we're all entitled to our opinions. It's all good.

P.S. I mean "nerd" in the most non-offensive, positive way.

Ditto that, bossman! If you can dig THE AVENGERS on the big screen, that's great for you. If you don't, that's okay, too. No judgments being called here!

And just for the record, I think "offensive" might be the word of the week here on the boards!!! ::laffs:: Just check out the "People of India" thread and you'll see what I mean!!!

[megojim]

I think we're witnessing the new "comic book" evolving right before our eyes.

[emeraldknight47]

I think we're witnessing the new "comic book" evolving right before our eyes.

Amen to that, brother....!

[spacecaps]

When it comes to movies, I don't think there's anyone harder to please than me. Even when I enjoy a film, I can still find ways to pick it apart. The Hulk thing I mentioned before still bothers me and if any of you read what I wrote on Cabin In The Woods you know what I mean. I guess I can kind of see what Funkyterrace is saying because I find the Toby Mcguire Spiderman series to be unwatchable. It just didn't feel like Spiderman to me. Kirsten Dunce was terrible casting and I still don't know what they were thinking with the Green Goblin. By the time the 3rd movie came around, it's like they just gave up. However, Marvel has done an amazing job of setting this movie up and aside from the Hulk movie(s) there really wasn't a bad Avengers member movie. Captain America, Thor, and both Iron Mans did a great job creating such anticipation for The Avengers. I don't think such a build-up of that caliber has ever been attempted before. I mean when you consider they couldn't get an actor to come back as Batman for more than two films before Christian Bale, it's amazing they could get such a big time cast and lock them up for several sequels. I'd also watch any of the Super Hero movies that came out in the last 10 years over all that stuff that came out in the 70's. 1970's Spiderman, Captain America, Wonder Woman, even The Hulk seem silly compared to whats being made today. The only excpetion the that for me is the 60's Batman. That's one of the greatest TV shows ever and we'll never see the likes of that brand of television again.

[MIB41]

I think anytime you put comics to film, it's inevitable there will be something lost in translation. You have to sell the concept in reality for two hours rather than ponder story plots from issue to issue. It's apples and oranges in my book. If you can get anywhere close to the feel of a comic, I think you've done a pretty good job. But if there is truly a sanctity to the world of heroes, I would have to say comics is where it is violated the most today. DC has all but puked on every code of good taste with their heroes and Marvel is often just as unrecognizable when you compare them to comics back in the 70's where writers took pride in story continuity. And if you want to talk about manipulation... Let's see... Alternate covers, director's cut issues. Heroes supposedly dying and coming back in a predictable story arc. The comics these days are loaded with shameful ploys to milk your pocket. So if your looking for any kind of purity in the legacy of these heroes, I think the movies are closer these days than the comics.