Quiet Riot's singer's death was an overdose!!!

[huedell]

By the way----for those interested---here is a link to a tribute page
for Kevin DuBrow----

On this page is documentation of Kevin's many achievements (looks like some
people here believe his work was quite narrow and limited, so this pretty much
dispells that)

Also on this page are many quotes by his peers in the business
commenting on Kevin's impact on them and the music scene in general

Not everyone is going to be sympathetic to a drug users fatal mistake
(I don't blame that mindset---drugs are a crutch for weaker people)--

-and not everyone is going to like his music
(to each their own)---

-but I'd like to think KEVIN DUBROW could be recognized as a worthwhile contributor
to the musical landscape... if only for his positive influences on musicians and rock fans
and for his tenacity in the music business which led him to accumilate a prolific body of
work in 33 years of recording and live shows

Here's the link:

Kevin Dubrow Tribute Page

[huedell]

huedell, apparently this is a touchy subject for you so we'll have to agree to disagree. Let's tak about toys again....

Alas, it is one of the MOST touchy subjects to arise on this board for
me

...maybe ever...

....not only was Kevin's persona a huge influence on me,
but for a brief while I knew the guy and I'll forever by connected to him and
his circle because of a series of events that continues to unfold up to this
very day---so when I see him being an "easy target in death" on message
boards
---I have to say my piece for him---because I feel no one else might bother
---its just me behaving outta respect

The thing is though---we even went through a simillar "debate" here when
Anna Nicole passed and I have virtually no feelings towards her one way or
another except that I thought she was a trip---

the thing that connects the two passings is that I found it amazing how
brazen people on this board were to minimize their importance and value-
--merely because they didn't approve of their self-abusive lifestyle---we're
not talking about murderers or rapists here---we're talking about "goofballs"-
--troubled goofballs at that.

Ever hear of letting someone rest in peace? That's a classy thing---
-I guess I can't imagine being even half as insensitive toward the death of
anyone as (some of) you guys are around here. I'd like to think that that's
to my credit---good upbringing or whatever

We can certainly agree to disagree---but I'm just saying my piece
because you are urinating on the grave of someone I respected
---I think I deserve that

[Mikey]

I've known too many people (close loved ones) that have died NOT by their own hand and wanted to live.

When I see people like this guy, I have no sympathy for them what-so-ever.

That's all I wanna say.

[Hector]

For all it's worth, I did like their first album, and 'come on feel the noize' was a catchy tune.

Was DuBrow an evil guy for doing coke? Of course not, but it was stupid, especially at his age.

Anyway, I will not target him for his mistake.

RIP dude.

[megoat]

Well, I think it's a little crude to ridicule the actual death of a celebrity or anyone's death for that matter. That said, there is nothing wrong in ridiculing an artists' WORK. And when artists die, their life's work is usually reexamined. And for me, Kevin Dubrow is nothing more than an unremarkable frontman of a lame pop metal band. I never thought much of his music when he was living and I will not think much of it now that he is dead.

I did not know Kevin Dubrow. I am sure he was a swell human being and well liked by his peers. I don't even fault him for his cocaine use. Yes it's stupid to do cocaine, especially at 52, but human beings are stupid and do stupid things all the time. It's part of being human.

Ike Turner just died today. A HUGE figure in the progression of popular music--and by most accounts, a total SOB. A completely flawed individual. But his contributions to music are almost immeasurable. IMO, It's fair game to discuss his music and his life.

[PCofmisfittoys]

just say no to drugs..and 80's hair bands

[megoscott]

Stupidity has precious little to do with whether one becomes addicted or not. The world is littered with intelligent people who lost themselves to powerful addictions. Nothing's worse than knowing you're better than that, smarter than that, and yet unable to stop doing something so clearly destructive.

Oh, and the other part of this is you really wouldn't have Rock and Roll, the Blues, Jazz, etc. without substance abuse. so a little appreciation for the "druggies" is in order.

[cjefferys]

Actually, I never knew someone could die from an overdose of cocaine...

I think that it's possible to overdose on almost anything. Look at all the dumb college freshmen who have died from water intoxication. Water is life, but even ingesting too much of that at one time can kill ya.

[megoat]

Stupidity has precious little to do with whether one becomes addicted or not.

Well, of course it does. It's stupid to even TRY an addictive substance you know is harmful and addictive! And this is coming from someone who has been very, very stupid in the past......Nobody forced me to smoke my first cigarette or to try drugs. It was a decision I made. And in terms of my health, a very very stupid decision......

[Vortigern99]

Look, everyone makes mistakes. It isn't right to criticise other people so strongly and so unforgivingly because first, what are /your/ sins or errors -- are they any better or less egregious than the person under discussion? -- and second, we have no idea what kind of life this person endured to lead them to drugs or alcohol. We have no idea of their private pain.

[megoscott]

Well, of course it does. It's stupid to even TRY an addictive substance you know is harmful and addictive! And this is coming from someone who has been very, very stupid in the past......Nobody forced me to smoke my first cigarette or to try drugs. It was a decision I made. And in terms of my health, a very very stupid decision......

Fair enough, I was just objecting to the notion some people seem have that you're stupid and deserve what you get if you become addicted. Nothing is more human, really, and there but for the grace of G*d go we....

[Hector]

Well, of course it does. It's stupid to even TRY an addictive substance you know is harmful and addictive! And this is coming from someone who has been very, very stupid in the past......Nobody forced me to smoke my first cigarette or to try drugs. It was a decision I made. And in terms of my health, a very very stupid decision......

Exactly.

Fair enough, I was just objecting to the notion some people seem have that you're stupid and deserve what you get if you become addicted. Nothing is more human, really, and there but for the grace of G*d go we....

I never said he deserved to die, I just said he was stupid for using coke...especially into his 50s...that was just asking for trouble.

[Vortigern99]

Intelligence or its lack isn't a factor in whether a person uses drugs or not. And stupidity is not a factor in abusing them. Drug use has to do with the amount of suffering a person feels like they've endured in their lifetime, and the lengths they'll go to in order to escape that pain, that memory and residue of pain. Also, addiction is a disease of the mind; AA approaches it as a form of insanity. So, you know, to call someone 'stupid' or reject their validity as human beings, worthy of our compassion and our understanding, even our love, is unfair.

[megoat]

Intelligence or its lack isn't a factor in whether a person uses drugs or not. And stupidity is not a factor in abusing them. Drug use has to do with the amount of suffering a person feels like they've endured in their lifetime, and the lengths they'll go to in order to escape that pain, that memory and residue of pain. Also, addiction is a disease of the mind; AA approaches it as a form of insanity. So, you know, to call someone 'stupid' or reject their validity as human beings, worthy of our compassion and our understanding, even our love, is unfair.

Ok, you win. People don't make STUPID decisions, they make INSANE ones. It really is no difference to me. I guess it depends on one's definition of "stupid". Maybe "foolish" was a better word choice. And I never reject anyone's "validity" as a human being due to their INSANE or FOOLISH choices when it comes to drugs, alcohol, cigarettes or binge eating etc. etc.......And again, I'm guilty myself. I AM FOOLISHLY INSANE!

[megoscott]

I never said he deserved to die, I just said he was stupid for using coke...especially into his 50s...that was just asking for trouble.

I understand, and you are quite right, of course. I didn't mean to single you out in particular, I'm more reacting to other things I've heard over the years.

Ok, you win. People don't make STUPID decisions, they make INSANE ones. It really is no difference to me. I guess it depends on one's definition of "stupid". Maybe "foolish" was a better word choice. And I never reject anyone's "validity" as a human being due to their INSANE or FOOLISH choices when it comes to drugs, alcohol, cigarettes or binge eating etc. etc.......

I think it's all semantics, anyway. Intelligent people are quite capable of making stupid, foolish, insane decisions. Either way, it's sad.