TV's Greatest Icons List

[huedell]

Hugh,
No where is it mentioned anywhere that the list was decided based on recognizability by today's audience...

I never said it did---that's just one important aspect of that---young people count too dangit

...you seem to be under the impression that to be on the list someone say the age of 25 has to be able to readily identify them at the drop of hat when they're shown an 8x10 glossy of said icon.

Yep---that's a big part of it---that's an "icon"

To ME, "Icon" is someone who has transcended the media across it's 60 plus years/many genres and has undoubtedly left his or her mark for future generations.Just because it doesn't pop up on TV Land or a DVD set doesn't diminish the impact.

Yes it does diminish their impact---you can't be much of an icon if you're disappearing
out of the pop lexicon in favor of other things---whether they are supposedly "inferior" or not

Your definition is basically mine---you're just letting your personal feelings get in the way
of reality

And if you're such a "TV junkie from 1975-99" as you say you are I have a hard time believing you haven't come across the works of the aforementioned slightly folks at least once.

Believe it...if I did come across them---I have no memory of having done so...and
THAT'S the point
if these guys are such big icons I should at least have a vague idea of who they are--
and so should younger people

Maybe you should do your homework instead of commenting on a list you obviously don't fully understand.

This one time I DON'T have to do my homework---this "icon issue" is all about what you
should know intrinsically from watching TV and culture over the years
---NOT from research/"homework"

I can't believe I let myself get caught up in another episode of the long-winded, quote filled "Huedell Show".

That's just insulting---if you don't like what I have to say fine----
This "long winded" bull is wearing thin though-----an insult like that is just a lame way
of avoiding the truths of a good discussion

A "not lame" way would be not to engage me at all---- instead of lobbing insults

[huedell]

Oh, i'll be the first to admit to turning the channel to the Hue Show.

I knew using the term "Bud" would inspire some good reactions out of our host

Remember that people.
If you wanna push buttons--- "Bud" is always the best way to begin

I've said enough ---- Bud

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Yeah Mike be patronizing---and that'll get a rise out of me---big idea!
If you're proud of that---kudos and whatever

[huedell]

Your logic is flawed at best. The heading is "TV's Greatest Icons List" not newest or most recognizable by younger people.

Obviously people who were not around when Jackie Gleason was on television will be less likely to be aware of him or the impact he had. It in no way reduces his status as a television icon.

Using your logic Babe Ruth would probably be excluded from an all time baseball icons list due to the fact that more people would be aware of Arod than the "Sultan Of Swat".

The list is poorly conceived, as most of these types of lists are. It is full of glaring omissions as well as many inaccurate rankings.

You are SO not getting my posts----and you're making either YOU or ME look
foolish by doing so---- we're talking about Phil Silvers, James Arness and
whoever being second rate as icons---not guys like Jackie Gleason---
if you took the time to read my posts instead of jumping on this bash Hugh
bandwagon
---you'd see that I said Jackie Gleason WOULD be recognized by some
younger kids MORE (much more) than Phil Silvers and James Arness

Your post is "poorly concieved at best" not my point

Exclude Babe Ruth from a baseball icons list? Gimmee a break---make me
look I'm not getting this...nice try
Babe Ruth is the Jackie Glesaon equivalent in baseball----why rag on me
in this manner when I didn't even post the way you said I did in the first place

[Mikey]

Oh Hue, c'mon
If it wasn't for you --- we'd all be sitting here agreeing with each other and this thread would be long buried already

You're a good devil's advocate

Seriously though,
If I was compiling that list, I would exclude all television shows from the 90's up to today.

I think an icon should not be confused with a flavour of the month.

If this list was compiled back in --- say 1990...
I'll bet Bronson Pinchot would be on it for Perfect Strangers
Today, people say WHO ?

[huedell]

"How did I get pulled down the rabbit hole into another Huedell maze of the verbose and the inane?"

Another one who results to throwing insults when he's frustrated thanks---johnnyc

[Johnny]

I read all of your posts Huedell. As arduous a task as that was.

Beyond this list thing what is really disturbing is your state of mind generally.

I am done with this thread, I only wish I had never gotten lured into it to begin with.

Not only do you not get the points others are trying to convey about this meaningless list you dug up, you just don't get it generally.

My advice and final word: Get some therapy.

[huedell]

Oh Hue, c'mon
If it wasn't for you --- we'd all be sitting here agreeing with each other and this thread would be long buried already

You're a good devil's advocate

Seriously though,
If I was compiling that list, I would exclude all television shows from the 90's up to today.

I think an icon should not be confused with a flavour of the month.

If this list was compiled back in --- say 1990...
I'll bet Bronson Pinchot would be on it for Perfect Strangers
Today, people say WHO ?

Firstly, you're missing the point---this is a 2007 list---so it should reflect that

Secondly, perusing that list we've been jawing about...actually pound for
pound... I don't see THAT many "flavors of the month" as you're purporting
A few...but there's really not that many...it's not like Paris is on that list or
anything

Thirdly, thanks for showing some class and acknowledging my feelings
Mike it is much appreciated

[huedell]

I read all of your posts Huedell. As arduous a task as that was.

Beyond this list thing what is really disturbing is your state of mind generally.

I am done with this thread, I only wish I had never gotten lured into it to begin with.

Not only do you not get the points others are trying to convey about this meaningless list you dug up, you just don't get it generally.

My advice and final word: Get some therapy.

What?

You said in this post that you "read all my posts"---Bull

And where's the proof?

You also said in your post that I "dug up this list"

Maybe you should get therapy for unfounded bullying and insults---
that wasn't MY list-----I didn't "dig it up"

[Johnny]

You know, I am so bored and tired of your repeated tactics of provoking and then playing the victim. It is transparent, it is pathetic and it fools no-one. It is sad. Whatever satisfaction you get from provoking people on this board to debate the inane with you has to be greatly outweighed by the disdain for you it evokes in them no?

Perhaps not.

Again, sad.

[The Toyroom]

I "dug up the list" and if I had known it would turn into another Hue soapbox I wouldn't have. You're totally missing the point that it's a crappy and arbitrary list at best...not what you'd expect from a "TV's Greatest Icons" list. But I know who should/shouldn't be on the list in my mind and that's all that counts. After all the years I've spent logging time in front of the boob tube I think I know what I'm talking about. Not an expert but pretty knowledgable about "TV Land", something that TV Land themselves apparently are not anymore. No worries...this list will be replaced by another inane one eventually anyway.

Anyway, carry on...I now return you to the host and star of the show...the Great One...Huedell. ('Cause you know he's coming back after this commercial break...)

[huedell]

You know, I am so bored and tired of your repeated tactics of provoking and then playing the victim. It is transparent, it is pathetic and it fools no-one. It is sad. Whatever satisfaction you get from provoking people on this board to debate the inane with you has to be greatly outweighed by the disdain for you it evokes in them no?

Perhaps not.

Again, sad.

You would think anyone that read my earlier post about Jackie Gleason and
Milton Berle being huge "old time" icons and subsequently saw you slamming
me, and using Glesaon as an example of how "I don't get it" would
see enough that you don't read posts thorougly.

The insults you throw? Well I think that even proves more YOUR type of "tactics"

I feel bad you are this annoyed by me---but that won't stop me from my
usual debates----especially when I see that you'd rather bash than read my
posts judiciously to have a valid opinion on me or my ideas in the first place

[Comic Book Geek]

When you look down the list what visions pop in your head while you read the names?

Henry Winkler? You see the Fonz with thumbs up

Lucy... you might see her in a dozen get ups. Maybe with that sideways lip face saying "ewww"

Fred Sanford?

Where's Barney Fife?

Glad we get Ellen, Sarrah Jessica Parker, Jennifer Aniston... Wait. Why did we get them?

These lists are always wrong, possibly on purpose, but this one, to quote Homer Simpson is the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

[Johnny]

Okay for the last time. I purposely used Jackie Gleason because it was one of the people you considered a true icon. My point was that many young people would not be aware of him thus skewing any icon list they voted on to lean heavily on more contemporary figures.

I am done talking about the ridiculous list.

The larger issue is your severely poor social skills. Your lack of grace and class when discussing any issue. I have no "tactics" at use here. I am merely stating what I believe to be true. I did read your posts as inane as they are. Your passive agressive comments are not lost on me. Clearly you need professional help. I have bit my tongue through many, many of the circular arguments that you create on here just to hear yourself (talk) type.

Truly, from one human being to another. In my opinion you need help. Not a bash. Not a joke. My true opinion.


TOYROOM sorry for not giving you credit for coming up with the list. After Huedell's agressive hi-jacking of your thread it became hard to remember that anyone other than him even posted on it.

[huedell]

I "dug up the list" and if I had known it would turn into another Hue soapbox I wouldn't have. You're totally missing the point that it's a crappy and arbitrary list at best...not what you'd expect from a "TV's Greatest Icons" list. But I know who should/shouldn't be on the list in my mind and that's all that counts. After all the years I've spent logging time in front of the boob tube I think I know what I'm talking about. Not an expert but pretty knowledgable about "TV Land", something that TV Land themselves apparently are not anymore. No worries...this list will be replaced by another inane one eventually anyway.

Anyway, carry on...I now return you to the host and star of the show...the Great One...Huedell. ('Cause you know he's coming back after this commercial break...)

And we're back...

What's so bad about expressing why I think this is a better list than you purport?

I'm not insulting you because you feel the way you do..I'm just relating my
experiences...and frankly...its a tough thing to argue against my
statistics in this thread (my views and that of people younger than me
AND the older people who know who Gleason is over Silvers 3 to 1)-

--the only argument YOU guys have that holds water is about the definition
of "icon" to begin with which is fine by me

And I agree that lists are arbitrary and that more lists are to come...

Well, with more lists...there's more discussion

Maybe I'll agree with you next time...one things for sure---I won't point
fingers at someone who disagrees and make him out to be a spotlight
searcher----I'll say: "hey that guy disagrees" and try to have a mature discussion if the mood strikes me

I think I've been nothing but classy throughout this whole thing---can't say the same for you guys

[Earth 2 Chris]

How can Barney Fife get greatest TV character ever in a "list" a few years back, but Don Knotts NOT make this list.

The truth is, TV icons ain't what they used to be. There are more than 3 channels now. The commonality of TV is gone. So many of the icons who first appeared after say 1990 or so, I find highly suspect.

Chris