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  • ctc
    Fear the monkeybat!
    • Aug 16, 2001
    • 11183

    #16
    >There's a lot of talent out there in many forms (except rap)

    Rap has one of the same problems Metal and Rock do: it's real easy to do music that SOUNDS "right." So a lot of people who have no place making music do. *sigh* Probably 'cos the genres are so well defined.

    I HAVE heard rap that was pretty good; just not lately. The last batch of rappers were all about image; the music hardly entered into it. Sorta like a lot of the late 80's hair metal bands. *shudder*

    >it's great to see progressive music with a good message

    Funny thing is; a lot of the classic metal actually has an upbeat message, to folks who bothered to listen. (Not a shot at you; I'm still bitter about the PMRC.) Again; the movie "Metal: A Headbanger's Journey" covers this pretty good. So I don't really think the idea of dedicatedly Christian metal is all that odd. LIke the song says "the lover of life's not a sinner."

    >just hear the song "Warriors of the World"

    One of my faves! Funny thing; when I play stuff like this at the armouries it tends to scare most of my co-workers. I hear songs like this, and I picture scenes like the big fight at the end of the last Lord of the Rings movie: with them big mutant elephant thingies.

    "Call to Arms" is another classic; and probably my favourite workout song.

    >Manowar for example recieves a lot of criticism,

    ...when they're mentioned at all.... I think the problem with bands like them is that their subject matter tends to be really larger than life, and fantastical; so it's tough for a lot of folks to empathise. For most people their stuff seems over-written. But if you connect it with bigger, fantastical ideas (like the LOTR scene) it starts making... "sense," I guess. Or if you've experienced larger than life stuff. "Heart of Steel" always reminds me of my first Summer in Meaford, where I finished basic training. I didn't want to go but I couldn't find any other job, three months away from home and isolated from the world (we couldn't even get newspapers) and given my problems with authority NOBODY (myself included) expected me to pass.

    "I fight the world, and take all they can give
    There are times my heart hangs low.
    Born to walk against the wind, born to hear my name,
    no matter where I stand, I'm alone."

    Pretty much covers it. Of course that's not where the song ends; and the rest of it provides words to live by:

    "Burn the bridge behind you, leave no retreat.
    There's only one way home."

    >Since the "Black album", I would say Wussiest band applies.

    Poor Metallica! Y'know... I didin't think their later stuff was HORRIBLE. Wasn't as good as their earlier stuff, but it didin't make my ears bleed. I suspect the whole filesharing thing, combined with the relative decline of metal at the time led to their fall from grace more than the music. "Load" struck me as an odd album, since it was SO different from their other stuff. As a friend pointed out; it was them experimenting with different styles of music. Which I applaud; even if the effects were less than spectacular.

    I work with someone who's a HUGE Metallica fan. "Nothing Else Matters" was her wedding song. Sounds funny at first; but this is actually a pretty good choice. (For the metal-impaired who might be reading this, the song is a guy who HATES the human race singing to the one person who matters to him.)

    Don C.

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    • The Bat
      Batman Fanatic
      • Jul 14, 2002
      • 13412

      #17
      Originally posted by apes3978
      Some good choices there, And Bobby Darin, sure he had a few uptempo songs, but I'd be hard pressd to call him a rock and roller.

      Well...He was just a example...when I think of Bobby Darrin, I think of "Splish Splash"....not His later Vegas stuff. I'm more into RockaBilly...like Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent, and Early Elvis.
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      • MegoNinja
        Career Member
        • Feb 7, 2007
        • 738

        #18
        I think Manowar is meant to be a story telling band more than a band that plays music that appplies to real life. They heavily base their song's on German (Teutonic) mythology, as you probably already know, they mention the god Loki (not from marvel comics, lol) many times. People don't take Manowar seriously because most of their music is "fairytales".
        Metallica I think is a great band, I am not sure why people don't like them so much, I think most of their old music is great, their new stuff I just can't bare though. I believe they earned their place as a wuss band after their legal action against Napster, other than that though I can't see why people give so much criticism, maybe people are just sick of hearing 'enter sandman' on the radio.
        I the Monster Hero

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        • Hulk
          Mayor of Megoville
          • May 10, 2003
          • 16007

          #19
          There's a lot of talent out there in many forms (except rap)
          Ah, you had a rational argument up until that point. Just because you don't like rap, or feel its immoral, or just can't understand it, doesn't mean that there isn't real talent.

          it's great to see progressive music with a good message for todays youth . . . . . . . and 45 yr old men!
          Like the message or not, the lyrics of many rap artists are usually a lot more well thought out and socially significant than most popular music today, and probably most music since we've been alive.

          Think I'm crazy? Look up the lyrics to some of these songs and take the time to think about the message, and the audience its intended for (usually not 45 year old white men)...

          Tupac Shakur

          2Pac "Dear Mama": You are appreciated When I was young, me and my mama had beef 17 years old, kicked out on the street...




          Public Enemy

          Public Enemy | 911 Is A Joke lyrics

          PUBLIC ENEMY | Lyric Pages

          Mos Def



          Kanye West

          Kanye West "Jesus Walks": We at war We at war with terrorism, racism But most of all we at war with ourselves (Jesus walk) Go...


          KRS-One

          KRS-One, Know thy self Lyrics

          Akrobatik

          Akrobatik - Remind My Soul - lyrics from LyricWiki


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          • megojim
            Permanent Member
            • Oct 13, 2001
            • 3630

            #20
            Originally posted by Hulk
            Ah, you had a rational argument up until that point. Just because you don't like rap, or feel its immoral, or just can't understand it, doesn't mean that there isn't real talent.

            Like the message or not, the lyrics of many rap artists are usually a lot more well thought out and socially significant than most popular music today, and probably most music since we've been alive.

            Think I'm crazy? Look up the lyrics to some of these songs and take the time to think about the message, and the audience its intended for (usually not 45 year old white men)...

            My apologies Hulkster . . . . I should have prefaced my statement with the ole' "personal preference" tag line. All music forms have someone thats putting out the right message. BTW Toby Mac (rapper) is one of the most popular Christian artists today. My statements were meant to only point out I found some good rock and roll, that just happens to mirror my beliefs.
            My Custom Figures


            1 Corinthians 9:24 - Don’t you realize that in a race everyone runs, but only one person gets the prize? So run to win!

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            • Earth 2 Chris
              Verbose Member
              • Mar 7, 2004
              • 33087

              #21
              My musical tastes are pretty eclectic. I guess you could peg me as a classic rock guy. My favorites are Eagles (new album is great), Bob Seger, CCR and the like. I'm also a fairly recent convert to Johnny Cash and Waylon Jennings. I've always liked them, but only recently in the last few years have I went out and bought their CDs. On the pop-rock side of things, I've always been a fan of Bryan Adams.

              There's not much modern music that does much for me. Unless its an older artist I like putting out new material, I'm not really interested.

              Chris
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              • hobub
                Ghost of a Dead Indian
                • Jun 18, 2001
                • 4778

                #22
                I've always been a RockNRoll fan since the late 70s. And once I discovered the Doors in 1982, I became a 60's RockNRoll fanatic. However, since the mid 90's I started going to Jamboree in the Hills out here in St Clairsville, OH and started really enjoying the country music of the time. I was raised as a child listening to the likes of southern rock and through my uncle, Johnny Cash. I recently rediscovered Johnny Cash after his unfortunate departure which sadened me to when I heard and I'm very impressed with all that I've been finding out about Cash. The man was a true artist. He was one of the founding fathers of RockNRoll, and literally worked right up until the end, wondering if each recording in recent years would be his last. That is some serious dedication. And I can't think of a cover that he didn't do well covering.

                Tune in anytime at www.johnnycash.com and hear the radio broadcasts while you search for your Mego's. Click my links and enjoy some of the stuff I've been finding.
                Last edited by hobub; Nov 4, '07, 3:24 PM.

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                • ctc
                  Fear the monkeybat!
                  • Aug 16, 2001
                  • 11183

                  #23
                  >Look up the lyrics to some of these songs and take the time to think about the message, and the audience its intended for

                  ....'course most of those refrences are at least 10 years old. Compare that to the new crop; like Chamillionaire or (Fates preserve us) Fergie. *shudder* I think that woman's 15 minutres were up a LONG time ago...

                  Like a lot of things, rap got co-opted by the marketing teams. Even the social commentary has become typified and catch-phrasey these days.

                  Although I DO get a kick out of guessing what old song the new rappers have boosted their loops from.

                  Don C.

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                  • The Bat
                    Batman Fanatic
                    • Jul 14, 2002
                    • 13412

                    #24
                    I LOVE Johnny Cash!! And some other classic Country as well: Hank Williams Sr., Hank Snow, Ernest Tub, etc...

                    But I'm getting off the Subject: Rock N' Roll!I also like a lot of 60's & 70' Rock: CCR, The Doors, Hendrix, Beatles, The Kinks, Ac-Dc, Black Sabath, MC-5, The Stones, David Bowie, Iggy Pop, Lou Reed, The New York Dolls, and many more...
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                    • Mikey
                      Verbose Member
                      • Aug 9, 2001
                      • 47261

                      #25
                      My real favourite musical artists of all time ......

                      1. Pink Floyd
                      2. The Beatles
                      3. Grand Funk
                      4. The Guess Who
                      5. Lynyrd Skynyrd

                      For country, I like a lot of classic artists, but I think my fav would be Johnny Horton.

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                      • Laparka
                        New Member
                        • Jun 12, 2007
                        • 33

                        #26
                        WOW....metal heads that collect toys!! I've been doing a radio show for over ten years that is all heavy metal. From hair, speed, death, black, doom, hardcore and even Christian (check out the band Believer, they will blow your face off. Sounds like early Slayer. Also a band called Demon Hunter). Metal is back and as big as ever. There are just as many bands from the 80's and 90's releasing records and touring as there were in those back then. The Ratt/Poison tour was huge this year and so was Tesla. As for Manowar, they do kick ***. They also live about 30 minutes from me. Unfortunatley for them they are not big in the States. They sell out in every other country within minutes. Next year in Germany they are doing a festival where they will perform their first 6 albums in their entirety. Would never go over here, and that's sad. LONG LIVE METAL....oh and there are a couple members of November's Doom on the foums also.
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                        • English Paul
                          Archive cased.
                          • Aug 17, 2005
                          • 1734

                          #27
                          I've been listening to a lot of Metallica recently on my music player. Up until last night all I had on my MP3 player was Master of Puppets, Ride the Lightning and Garage Inc. Three superb albums. Last night however I put on The Black Album/Metallica. It will probably be three years or more since I last listened to it all the way through and ***k me, it's a good album. It's like been in a dark cave with the walls closing in on you pushing, pushing, pushing on your eardrums. Master Of Puppets is still my favourite Metallica album but the Black Album is a band at the height of their career with huge production and backing. It's not even what I would describe as heavy - it's more deep, down and drudging.

                          Most of the others that I listened to when I was younger have stayed in the 80s Megadath, Anthrax and the like. They just didn't have the edge that Metallica had (and I say `had` because I thought St Anger was poor).

                          I'm also a huge fan of The Cult and still listen to their 80s stuff on a regular basis.
                          "I should say I`m very much cleverer than any of the people who put me here. As a matter of fact, I could leave any time I wanted. It`s only a doll`s house after all. Anyway, I don`t mind. I like dolls" - The Mad Hatter, Arkham Asylum.

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                          • Cosmicman
                            Permanent Member
                            • Jul 12, 2005
                            • 4794

                            #28
                            Originally posted by MegoNinja
                            CTC, Manowar's album God's of War is a real masterpiece, you should get it (download it if you must, I did), or at least just hear the song "Warriors of the World" it will rock your sock's off, and I must agree, when I workout I play Manowar, funny how Manowar goes good with doing exercises...strange.
                            I just wanted to add about Manowar.
                            Manowar's "Gods OF War" album is brilliant. You have to not look at it like a rocker album. It has a story concept based on Odin and the gods of Asgard. It has a beautiful orchestra behind them provided by Joe Rozler who is a genius arranger. The story is one of the better stories I have heard since Ronnie James Dio's Magica awhile back.

                            If anyone gives two craps about my opinion. Go pick up King Diamonds latest, "Give Me Your Soul...Please"
                            Anyone want "samples" offline me. This is good story telling!!!

                            Megoninja. I am glad you are here. I was starting to think I was alone when it came to listening to real metal. You rock dude!

                            Last edited by Cosmicman; Nov 6, '07, 3:11 PM.
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                            • MegoNinja
                              Career Member
                              • Feb 7, 2007
                              • 738

                              #29
                              thanks a whole heap wrath demon, actually I was thinking the same. I was beginning to think that no one else listened to Manowar, I think people need to start listening to storyline and not just to the lyric's of each song seperately.
                              rock on!
                              I the Monster Hero

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                              • Vortigern99
                                Scholar/Gentleman/Weirdo
                                • Jul 2, 2006
                                • 1539

                                #30
                                I'm a big fan of Zeppelin, Queen, Fleetwood Mac, Frank Zappa, and classic KISS. I also love Yes, Floyd, the Who, the Beatles (as a band and solo) ... and pretty much anyone who was making music in the 60s and 70s!

                                For newer stuff I like Spoon, Foo Fighters, Audioslave, Nirvana, Chili Peppers, and Jane's Addiction (though the last three were recording in the late 80s and 90s).

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