Do you believe in them?

[SUP-Ronin]

That show is a total load of crapola. It's been on for what 3 seasons and they haven't confirmed a single thing other than there is money to made off of silly superstitutious people. I much prefer monster quest. At least they roll with something more than white noise, coughing and light bouncing around to base a show on.

[Sandman9580]

I think the points you're making are excellent, and think this was really well said, up until you evoke psychic phenomena - which I just don't get.

It IS amazing how memes effect our understanding of the world - but I don't think we need to explain how that happens with phenomena like psychic collective consciousness or something when the regular materialistic mechanics of how memes spread through culture do the exact same thing.

When I say "psychic phenomena", I mean phenomena relating to the psyche, and not to ESP, telepathy, or clairvoyance. I meant to imply that "seeing things" is likely more mental aberration than ghostly apparition. Therefore, we can assume a material, "non-ghost" explanation while we're here on Earth... and render unto Casper the things which are Casper's.

[Mikey]

I always thought it was weird how many people believe in God and an afterlife but insist spooks don't exist.

[johnmiic]

I always thought it was weird how many people believe in God and an afterlife but insist spooks don't exist.

Well, I see the contradiction that exists there Mike but The Catholic Church still performs Exorcisms so I guess that's an admission in spirits-if only evil ones.

[jwyblejr]

The thing I hate most about those shows is that EVP mumbo jumbo. It's always "Did you hear that?" Hear what?Then they always go "Yup. You've got ghosts."

[batmanmc]

i believe in them and have two in my house . i think two at least one but they dont touh my megos , so i let them stay.

[cdhall]

Demons

I always thought it was weird how many people believe in God and an afterlife but insist spooks don't exist.

After Dark has had at least one guy as a guest or call in that said Aliens at least were Demons.

I have spoken to a Jehovah's Witness whose mother was a Spirit Medium for years until he convinced her to examine what she was doing. The lady and her Jehovah's Witness son, and I believe all the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Aliens and Ghosts are just Demons, followers of Satan trying to confuse humans.

In one of my earliest adult Bible studies one of guys said something similar. This was a group of Protestants for lack of a formal word. Satan is apparently attributed clearly as the Father of Lies and someone who likes to sow confusion.

So there are many who believe in God who have thoughts on Ghosts that are based in the Bible.

My studies, such as they are, have led me to meet people who claim to be Christians and who have drastically differing beliefs in the afterlife. But somewhere the Bible apparently talks about Angels and Fallen Angels so there are creatures discussed there that are not God and not human which could easily explain ghosts and other phenomena.

Just my 2cents. I'm still studying Christianity. I'm a Christian but apparently that word is applied unevenly to many. If enough people are interested I will put my testimony back up on the internet where I had it for some time.

Now back to Ghosts...

P.S. Sorry I haven't read this whole thread but I wanted to put this 2cents in. I usually, almost always read an entire thread before posting, but now 2x in 2 days I've posted without at least scanning every post... probably a bad idea.

[ctc]

>The Catholic Church still performs Exorcisms so I guess that's an admission in spirits

Officially they don't accept ghosts; which are supposed to be the spiritual essence of the dead on Earth, 'cos only one guy (well, TWO actually) got to come back after dying. So any spiritual entity HAS to be a demon, angel, etc.... and not a person.

Don C.

[cdhall]

2 or 5?

>The Catholic Church still performs Exorcisms so I guess that's an admission in spirits

Officially they don't accept ghosts; which are supposed to be the spiritual essence of the dead on Earth, 'cos only one guy (well, TWO actually) got to come back after dying. So any spiritual entity HAS to be a demon, angel, etc.... and not a person.

Don C.

Don,

I had to Google and I found these 3 examples of resurrections in the Hebrew text so I guess these 3 plus Jesus and Lazarus make 5?

Resurrection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

* The prophet Elijah prays and God raises a young boy from death (1 Kings 17:17-24)

* Similarly, Elisha raises the son of the Shunammite woman (2 Kings 4:32-37); this was the very same child whose birth he previously foretold (2 Kings 4:8-16)

* A dead man's body that was thrown into the dead Elisha's tomb is resurrected when the body touches Elisha's bones (2 Kings 13:21)

[ctc]

>I found these 3 examples of resurrections in the Hebrew text so I guess these 3 plus Jesus and Lazarus make 5?

If I remember correctly there's also part where an entire army comes back from the dead.... but usually refrences are more New Testament-centered. So Lazarus and Jesus. The Lazarus bit comes up a lot, since it's a confounding variable in any theological discussion. (They don't mention what he does AFTER either....)

Don C.

[Brazoo]

When I say "psychic phenomena", I mean phenomena relating to the psyche, and not to ESP, telepathy, or clairvoyance. I meant to imply that "seeing things" is likely more mental aberration than ghostly apparition. Therefore, we can assume a material, "non-ghost" explanation while we're here on Earth... and render unto Casper the things which are Casper's.

Ahhhhh - makes so much more sense now! It sounded like that - but I've never heard 'psychic' used that way.

That Kubrick anecdote was great, I've never heard that before either.

[jwyblejr]

>I found these 3 examples of resurrections in the Hebrew text so I guess these 3 plus Jesus and Lazarus make 5?

If I remember correctly there's also part where an entire army comes back from the dead.... but usually refrences are more New Testament-centered. So Lazarus and Jesus. The Lazarus bit comes up a lot, since it's a confounding variable in any theological discussion. (They don't mention what he does AFTER either....)

Don C.

Lazarus becomes a zombie and goes around chomping on Roman soldiers. Man,that sounds like the plot for an awesome movie. Why hasn't Hollywood made that one yet?

[TrueDave]

Nope , not a bit of it. It's vanity. Believeing we could be ghosts one day. Were not that important.

[The Batman Professor]

I had friends who lived in a haunted apartment in Brooklyn. Broke their lease and practically their necks getting out of there. Stuff flying off shelves, furniture rearranged in the middle of the night, and apparitions.

I keep a skeptical but open mind.

[Mikey]

ghosts are real


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