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**Brazoo** · Jun 4, '10, 1:41 PM

I don't get what's weird about the ancient Egyptians using materials with sand in it? Egypt is basically all sand. If they used something that used no sand I'd be way more inclined to believe aliens helped them.

Can you please post links to your sources of info?

RG · Jun 4, '10, 8:10 PM

I don't think pat garret shot and killed billy the kid ... I think he helped Billy the Kid fake his death so he could live a normal life.

**jwyblejr** · Jun 5, '10, 12:32 AM

^Along those lines,what do you think about Jesse James? Faked his death too?

RG · Jun 5, '10, 1:04 AM

Originally posted by jwyblejr

^Along those lines,what do you think about Jesse James? Faked his death too?

no I think poor Jesse got the shaft. Just some odd storys about Billy being seen by people after he was dead etc. and the fact the only lawman to catch him was his so called "former" friend. But he's dead now for sure LOL

**jp1969** · Jun 5, '10, 5:20 AM

I heard Hitler was driving a bus in Miami during the 70s.............................

**Paul Evans** · Jun 5, '10, 8:24 AM

Roger Goodell really did pay the cameraman hush money and burned the tapes.

Then, he announced that he had investigated the spygate story and was satisfied there was no cheating at the Superbowl 36.

Bill Belichick got a slap on the wrist (a small fine) for his regular season filming (and got a MASSIVE pay raise a few months later) and no suspension whatsoever.

Goodell and the NFL avoided a Blacksox like stain by trickery, deceit and lies.

**darklord1967** · Jun 5, '10, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Brazoo

I don't get what's weird about the ancient Egyptians using materials with sand in it? Egypt is basically all sand. If they used something that used no sand I'd be way more inclined to believe aliens helped them.

The trouble is, the limestone used to build the pyramids was brought from a considerable distance away and transported up an down the Nile River to the construction site. When you consider the incredible weight of these stones and the sheer workforce that would be required to excavate and transport them, it becomes logical that the builders of the pyramids (whoever they were) were willing to go to a Herculean amount of trouble to ensure that the finished structures stood at a specific location on planet Earth.

And the raw limestone still had to be cut into blocks and then used in the construction! Originally the Great Pyramid was covered by casing stones that formed a smooth outer surface.

Originally posted by Brazoo

Can you please post links to your sources of info?

Sure thing:

Here are some theories on the origins, nature, function, and purposes of the pyramids as published in:

http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmi...r.html#purpose

"Functional -
to act as a Machine to transmit and receive information (and perhaps material).

Transmission/Reception may be among many different forms of Life.

Information is received by the Pyramid as a receiver,
and sent by the Pyramid as a transmitter.

Can the Great Golden Pyramid be a transmitter/receiver,
or transceiver device for electromagnetic or other signals?

Consider the materials used to
build the Pyramid: limestone and granite.

Limestone is made up of calcium and magnesium carbonates.

Calcium carbonate (calcite) is electromagnetically anisotropic
(put a calcite crystal over a straight line,
rotate the crystal, and you will see two images of the line,
appearing to be in different places,
because the effective velocity of light
depends on the direction it goes through the calcite crystal).

Limestone can also be triboluminescent,
meaning that if it is crushed or scratched or rubbed,
it becomes luminescent.

... llimestone can be used
to control electromagnetic radiation,
and that physical stress can modulate the effect.
I CONJECTURE THAT LIMESTONE IS USED AS AN "ANTENNA"
material for the Great Golden Pyramid transceiver.

Granite is largely made up of quartz.

Quartz is piezoelectric,
meaning that
a quartz crystal changes its electric charge distribution
when it vibrates
(i.e. when it is subjected to change in pressure),
and that
a quartz crystal vibrates when it is subjected to
a changing electromagnetic field.

Some examples of quartz conversion
of sound vibrations to and from electromagnetism
(beyond the old crystal radio) are:

ceramic sonar transducers;

ultrasonic electronics; and

piezoelectric/seismic location of quartz/gold mineral veins.

... GRANITE IS USED AS A "CONVERTER"
of vibration (sound) to and from electromagnetism
for the Great Golden Pyramid transceiver."

And this is an excellent article about electromagnetic fields measured around Bosnian pyramids:

Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation - EXCLUSIVE: VIDEO FOOTAGE OF ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS ABOVE BOSNIAN PYRAMIDS

**darklord1967** · Jun 5, '10, 12:32 PM

Now... why go through so much trouble to move collossally heavy and huge stones to a location so far away to build a structure at that specific site?

Let's take a look at that.

“The Great Pyramid is located at the center of the land mass of the earth. The east/west parallel that crosses the most land and the north/south meridian that crosses the most land intersect in two places on the earth, one in the ocean and the other at the Great Pyramid.”

http://www.crystalinks.com/gpstats.html

Here are some interesting quotes from the Sacred Sites website (link below)

Sacred Sites: Places of Peace and Power

“The sides of the pyramid are lined up almost exactly with the cardinal points of the compass. The accuracy of this alignment is extraordinary, with an average discrepancy of only about three minutes of arc in any direction or a variation of less than 0.06 percent.

"The Great Pyramid functioned as an enormous sundial. Its shadow to the north, and its reflected sunlight to the south, accurately marked the annual dates of both the solstices and the equinoxes."

"The basic dimensions of the Great Pyramid incorporate measurements from which the earth's size and shape can be calculated. The pyramid is a scale model of the hemisphere, incorporating the geographical degrees of latitude and longitude. The latitude and longitude lines that intersect at the Great Pyramid (30 degrees north and 31 degrees east) cross more of the earth's land surface than any other lines, thus the pyramid is located at the center of the land mass of the earth . The original perimeter of the pyramid equals exactly one-half minute of latitude at the equator, indicating that its builders measured the earth with extreme precision and recorded this information in the dimensions of the structure. Altogether these measurements show that the builders knew the exact dimensions of the planet as precisely as they have been recently determined by satellite surveys."

**darklord1967** · Jun 5, '10, 1:07 PM

Ever since 1976, (when the Viking Probe first reached the planet Mars and purportedly photographed an enormous carved face in an area known as the Cydonia Complex) the significance and (possible extraterrestrial) origins of Earth's pyramids have become a hot area of interest for many.

There is an interesting article with photos of Mars' Cydonia Complex published in

You'll never think the same way again. . . The Revelation

Here are some of the highlighted quotes:

"Located to the south east of the city complex is a large five-sided pyramid (known as the D & M pyramid, Fig 4). As Erol Torun, a geomorphologist at the American Defense Mapping Agency has stressed, an object with five straight sides cannot be formed, or at any rate cannot be maintained, by the action of wind and weather. For the force that is sharpening one face will at the same time be causing any existing opposite straight sides or edges to erode."

"We could deduce from these findings that at some time in the past there has been physical and/or mental communication between Mars and Earth."

Here are some provocative quotes from another article pertaining to the Mars Cydonia Complex. Published in

The Cydonia Complex: Extraterrestrial Intelligence in the Face, City Square, D&M Pyramid

"The Face on Mars was a 1.2 by 1.5 mile mesa structure shaped like a human face. Artificiality tests performed on the Face showed that it was a geologically unique structure without any precedent in geophysical models; it could not have been created naturally by geological conditions. Whoever constructed the Face seemed to have done so for a particular purpose: visibility from space."

"The City was a group of 5 pyramids geometrically arranged around a central square marked by four small mounds. The tips of the 5 largest pyramids formed a pentagon. A line drawn north/south across two of the four City structures bisected the east/west line. The center where these 2 lines met formed the City’s exact lateral center. A straight line extending from the City center out to the Face passed directly through the “mouth” of the Face. Scientists speculated that on the Martian Summer Solstice, a being standing on Mars could look out across the horizon toward the Face and watch first the Earth, then the Sun rise out of the mouth of the Face. The only spot where such a viewing could take place was the exact center of the City Square."

"The D&M Pyramid was a 1.6 by 1mile , 5 sided pyramid, distinctive because its dimensions coincided with the Golden Ratio, the ideal proportions of biological systems. 5 buttresses were also apparent on the Pyramid. A line drawn down the middle split the pyramid exactly in half; an extension of this line would point directly at the Face. Hoagland also speculated that possible configurations of "solstice" alignment existed among the various structures."

**darklord1967** · Jun 5, '10, 2:49 PM

Now, I know how easy it is to dismiss all this and poo-poo the facts, opinions, conjectures and conclusions posted in these articles and websites.

I know how doubters have stated their strong beliefs that the distances are just way too great for an extraterrestrial civilization to traverse to get here.

But if I may, I'd like to offer my own conclusions and opinions regarding the pyramids.

These are my speculations, for whatever two cents they are worth.

The pyramids that have been erected on this planet, (most notably the great pyramid(s) of Giza) do not have have a terrestrial origin. They were built with the knowledge and guidance of an extremely advanced civilization that was capable of interstellar travel untold thousands of years ago.

The fact that these structures have been erected all over this planet purportedly by people in lands who NEVER met each other leads me to believe this.

The fact that the great pyramid of Giza was built with the mathematical precision, and the precise global positioning that it was, leads me to believe this.

The fact that the builders of the Great pyramid had an intimate working knowledge of the Earth's measurements and dimensions as precisely as they have been recently determined by satellite surveys leads me to believe this.

The (interpretive) fact that ruins of virtually identical (or similarly-shaped) structures have been discovered on Mars' Cydonia Complex (and debunked by NASA under the directives of the Federal government) leads me to believe this.

With the physical composition of the pyramids being what they are, and with the electromagnetic energy that they have been measured to be emitting, I am of the opinion that these structures were erected as planetary markers for inter-galactic orientation. An extraterrestrial civilization that was frequently visiting this planet would need a convenient (local) way to warp space-time and arrive at precise galactic coordinates every trip. The best way to do this is to "mark" or "tag" the planet so that it gives off a specific electromagnetic signature.

I further conjecture that the powerful electromagnetic fields emitted by this and other pyramids serves as the catalyst for an "outlet opening" for a warp journey... just like markers on a highway.

In other words, an interstellar traveler likely has a similar pyramid structure(s) on his own planet. The powerful electromagnetic field there opens a short-cut tunnel in space-time, linking it to the "target" electromagnetic field (which is planet Earth).

Again... just my conjecture and opinions... for what little they're worth.

**Werewolf** · Jun 5, '10, 3:33 PM

"The fact that these structures have been erected all over this planet purportedly by people in lands who NEVER met each other leads me to believe this."

People come up with the same ideas all the time. The fact is, a pyramid is a basic geometric shape and a simple solution for an architectural problem.

"The fact that the great pyramid of Giza was built with the mathematical precision, and the precise global positioning that it was, leads me to believe this."

"The fact that the builders of the Great pyramid had an intimate working knowledge of the Earth's measurements and dimensions as precisely as they have been recently determined by satellite surveys leads me to believe this."

Fact is, you don't need satellites or computers to be mathematically precise. I firmly believe the the Egyptians had the architectural knowledge, mathmatical skills and man power to stack and move big stone blocks. If they had advanced tech like computers and cells phones and their structures were made out of artificial alloys then I'd tend to agree with alien interference.

"The (interpretive) fact that ruins of virtually identical (or similarly-shaped) structures have been discovered on Mars' Cydonia Complex (and debunked by NASA under the directives of the Federal government) leads me to believe this."

It's called matrixing. Like when people see shapes in clouds or a face on the moon.

If you want to believe aliens built the pyramids. That's your business. I tend to give our ancestors a little more credit for their accomplishments. Either way, we aren't going to change anyone's minds.

Edit: Personally I think it's a bit egotistical to think, considering the vastness of the universe, that even if aliens are out there to think that they are even aware of us or give a crap about us if they do. History also shows us that when more advanced cultures came across less advanced ones, it doesn't end well for the less advanced cultures.

**darklord1967** · Jun 5, '10, 3:36 PM

Originally posted by Brazoo

I just reviewed a closeup clip of the Zapruder film on youtube, and to my eyes (without being too gruesome I hope) it looks like the blowout occurs around the area of the front right of his head.

No. The blowout happened at the rear of the head. You can see this in the autopsy photos:

John F Kennedy Autopsy Photos

If the Penn and Teller demonstration were accurate (with the bullet striking the BACK of the president's cranium) then the blowout would have occurred to most of the President's face.

But you can see in the autopsy photos, the President's face is largely undamaged.

The blowout was so much to the rear, that some of Kennedy's brain matter splattered backward onto the trunk of the car and even onto a trailing Dallas PD motorcycle cop. As an instinctive impulse, Jackie Kennedy climbed out to the trunk of the convertible immediately after the head shot and retrieved some of this brain matter (she testified to the Warren Commission that she did not remember doing this). In a dazed state, she later handed this small amount of grey matter to an attending doctor at Parkland hospital. This information is even covered Gerald Posner's book "Case Closed"... and HE believes that Oswald did this as a lone gunman!

Originally posted by Brazoo

I've never put a lot of time into investigating JFK's assassination - so I've never seen the autopsy photos before - but since you mentioned them I googled them, and again, to me the wounds I saw seem totally consistent with what I interpreted watching the Zapruter film - the larger wound being located in front right of his head.

Not sure what photos you're looking at dude, but it's the BACK of the President's head that is blown out, not the front.

If you have some time one day, take a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C06dg...eature=related at the 21:10 mark in the video, we see a diagram of the president's head wound as drawn by Charles Crenshaw MD, attending physician in Trauma Room 1 at Parkland Hospital tending to the mortally wounded president.

Also, here is a segment of the docu-drama "On Trial Lee Harvey Oswald". The (real) testimony is from Paul O'Connor, who (as a 21 year old) was stationed at Bethesda Naval Hospital where the president's body had been brought:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtMK0KGHA0w

In this video, witnesses (many from Parkland Hospital) describe the exit blowout wound at the back of the President's head. This starts at the 3:00 mark on the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RIAH...eature=related

**darklord1967** · Jun 5, '10, 3:38 PM