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  • megoat
    A Therefore Experience
    • Jun 10, 2003
    • 2699

    #16
    Originally posted by Mikey01
    Honestly ?

    We should have done what Patton suggested and marched the Soviets back to their own territory ... Once we hit Berlin, just keep on marching.

    Don't forget this was pre anyone else having the bomb ... (which we wouldn't have used anyway in Europe)
    Hmm, the previous 6 years had cost 70 million lives worldwide and you think marching to Moscow woulda been a good idea? Do you honestly think that would have been a cake walk? The Soviets weren't exactly pushovers, y'know. That's just nuts.

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    • AAAAA
      Permanent Member
      • Oct 28, 2005
      • 2505

      #17
      Originally posted by Mikey01
      Honestly ?

      We should have done what Patton suggested and marched the Soviets back to their own territory ... Once we hit Berlin, just keep on marching.

      Don't forget this was pre anyone else having the bomb ... (which we wouldn't have used anyway in Europe)
      We were planing to use the bomb on Berlin, Germany was just months way when they surrendered.
      Poland felt the way the Cezks did 1938, if she knew she was going to back up by her allies , she would given the Germany army bloody nose.
      cezk tanks and equipment was far superior .

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      • Mikey
        Verbose Member
        • Aug 9, 2001
        • 47258

        #18
        As far as the Soviets being allies, the point was moot as soon as they started keeping territories that was not there own.

        Territorial gain was never an issue with the allies -- not counting the US keeping a few Pacific islands for their trouble

        It would have been quite easy to bankrupt the Soviet army right then and there by fighting them back to their own territory... They were on borrowed time as it was ... It was the USA's non aggression (at the time) that allowed them to build themselves up over the years.

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        • Mikey
          Verbose Member
          • Aug 9, 2001
          • 47258

          #19
          Originally posted by AAAAA
          We were planing to use the bomb on Berlin, Germany was just months way when they surrendered..
          Would have never happened because Germany is a white country.

          Yes, it's very racist ... but most of the world was heavily racist back then.

          No way would the A-bomb have ever been used on Germany

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          • kryptosmaster
            Removed.
            • Jun 14, 2008
            • 0

            #20
            Originally posted by Mikey01
            As far as the Soviets being allies, the point was moot as soon as they started keeping territories that was not there own.

            Territorial gain was never an issue with the allies -- not counting the US keeping a few Pacific islands for their trouble

            It would have been quite easy to bankrupt the Soviet army right then and there by fighting them back to their own territory... They were on borrowed time as it was ... It was the USA's non aggression (at the time) that allowed them to build themselves up over the years.

            Not disagreeing with you but history was not on the side of armies invading Russia. Napoleon was pretty confident when he marched on Russia but look what happened to him and he had the best army in the world at the time. Not to mention Hitler had just done the same thing.
            Rich

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            • Mikey
              Verbose Member
              • Aug 9, 2001
              • 47258

              #21
              Originally posted by kryptosmaster
              Not disagreeing with you but history was not on the side of armies invading Russia. Napoleon was pretty confident when he marched on Russia but look what happened to him and he had the best army in the world at the time. Not to mention Hitler had just done the same thing.
              Rich
              I'm not talking about fighting them back to Moscow

              I'm talking about pushing them back behind the Poland, Czech, Hungry, Bulgarian and Romanian lines.
              Last edited by Mikey; Dec 7, '09, 3:58 PM.

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              • kryptosmaster
                Removed.
                • Jun 14, 2008
                • 0

                #22
                Originally posted by Mikey01
                I'm not talking about fighting them back to Moscow

                I'm talking about pushing them back behind the Poland, Czech, Hungry, Bulgarian and Romanian lines.
                Six of one, half-dozen of another. I think that to have done that would basically end up being the same thing because the Soviets probably thought of those occupied territories as their own possessions at that point and we would be fighting the Soviets regardless whether it was Poland or Russia itself. I don't think they would've just pulled back to their borders and stayed there. We would most likely have started another war that would end up in Russia and all the way to Moscow. I don't think the US or it's Allies were wanting that and we still had Japan to take care of at the time as well. Of course if they had a time machine and knew what Stalin was going to do and how these people would suffer under Soviet domination I think they may have taken care of them right then and there. Hindsight is 20/20. They probably felt it was the best compromise at that point in history.
                Like I said, I don't disagree with you. It's like the Saddam situation in the first Gulf war. We should've went all the way to Baghdad the first time. We should've just pulled all available troops and all the Allies together and took care of the USSR right then and there but we didn't and a lot of people paid the price for that. Thank goodness Reagan came along when he did and finally stood up to them and orchestrated the Soviet collapse.
                Rich

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                • The Bat
                  Batman Fanatic
                  • Jul 14, 2002
                  • 13412

                  #23
                  when the attack happened, my Father wanted to enlist immediately!! But he was 17, and my Grandfather refused to sign the release form. So the Papers sat on top of the Fridge for a year, until my Father turned 18...and he joined the Navy!

                  He was a Gun Captain(Gunners Mate 2nd class)on the U.S.S.Abbot(Fletcher Class Destroyer)...in the South Pacific fighting the Japanese. He was with MacArthur when we recaptured the Philippines.
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                  • Mikey
                    Verbose Member
                    • Aug 9, 2001
                    • 47258

                    #24
                    Cool story ... my uncle was in The Battle of Okinawa aka Operation Iceberg.

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                    • TEXASFETT
                      #1 Bounty Hunter
                      • Aug 29, 2008
                      • 1473

                      #25
                      May all that got killed on this day rest in peace.

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