You've got to be kidding me!

[VintageMike]

Considering how the manager is backpeddling it probably won't even make it to court. I'm sure the bartender will be reprimanded if not fired because of the all the bad publicity. All that said when you go somehwere and it's in writing (manadatory) you know what you're getting into. They should have paid and just never gone back.

[Brue]

not tipping unless you are so moved is not ok. you should tip. servers make less than min wage. the tip is part of their income. so tip -unless they have done something really wrong. if they have done something wrong - talk to management.

[Adam West]

About 3 months ago I went out to dinner at a decent local restaurant.

It was a nice mom and pop place and would best describe as any towns local steak and seafood restaurant.

It was a distaster ...

First of all I came in at 5:30 and wanted their dinner menu .... They said they don't serve dinner until 6:30 so they refused and gave me a lunch menu ....
BTW, this has NEVER happened to me before ---
Most, if not all mom and pop restaurants are happy to serve dinner's early because they cost twice as much --- not this place.

At the same time a party of like 40 people were in their "special" room for such partys (I think it might have been a wedding reception).

The restaurant had like 4 waitresses and they all tended that room and the main restaurant.

I ordered potato skins as an appetizer --- that took literally 45 minutes to come ....

My main meal was prime rib which came about 2 hours after I first entered the place...
The prime rib was inedible.
It was just basically grizzle and fat.

I complained to the waitress ... which she said sorry.
I told her I wanted to speak to the manager/owner ...

The owner came out and and I asked him for at least a partial refund or another steak.
He basically said ---- you didn't like it ? -- too bad ....
There was really nothing I could do except pay and leave ...

So I walked out of there paying about $35.00 for potato skins and waisting 3-1/2 hours of my life.

So is there a moral to my story ?

No, i'm just saying some restaurants suck

And the point that I was trying to make is that the unpleasant experience you had is often taken out on the wait staff who might not have been at fault but often bare the brunt of the wage loss. The cooks make a flat rate and it didn't seem like the owner was losing out. So I do agree that service stinks and I do know that tips are not expected in some countries in Europe and is even considered offensive.

One thing that has always bothered me about tipping is not knowing the rules.

For example, I have heard that it really isn't expected that you tip for example, someone who cuts your hair who happens to be the owner of the salon. My wife told me that this has happened to her and the person seems bent out of shape when she doesn't receive a tip and she is the owner. She is being paid the fee charged for the hair service and she is the owner. It doesn't make sense to me why the owner should expect a tip as well.

[Meule]

One thing that has always bothered me about tipping is not knowing the rules.

For example, I have heard that it really isn't expected that you tip for example, someone who cuts your hair who happens to be the owner of the salon. My wife told me that this has happened to her and the person seems bent out of shape when she doesn't receive a tip and she is the owner. She is being paid the fee charged for the hair service and she is the owner. It doesn't make sense to me why the owner should expect a tip as well.

You tip hair dressers as well? Over here we only tip in restaurants, that's it, everyone else gets paid exactly what they charge

[toys2cool]

For example, I have heard that it really isn't expected that you tip for example, someone who cuts your hair who happens to be the owner of the salon. My wife told me that this has happened to her and the person seems bent out of shape when she doesn't receive a tip and she is the owner. She is being paid the fee charged for the hair service and she is the owner. It doesn't make sense to me why the owner should expect a tip as well.

my Barber's the owner and I still tip him every time he even does my beard and never charges

[Mikey]

A few years ago I had a haircut and I didn't tip the barber ... No reason, I just didn't feel like it.

About a half hour later I noticed my neck was itching

I put my hand back there and my whole neck was covered in blood ... I mean like I was stabbed.

The SOB cut my neck mole and didn't tell me I was bleeding profusely.

For once I didn't feel guilty stiffing him on the tip.