Michael Jackson MRSA

[Vortigern99]

I don't believe I'm being unreasonable.

No, Bill, you're not being unreasonable. I regret if I implied or stated that you were. I just mean that if there were others actually looking into the facts of the two cases, I wouldn't be the only one arguing from reason and logic, which are fact-based methods of debate, rather than arguing from emotion.

As to how a child could have known about the spot on Michael's privates without being molested, I can think of any number of possible scenarios. One is logical inference based on knowledge of the vitiligo condition. (You've rejected this as implausible, but I'm not sure I understand why.) Another is that Michael may have undressed in front of the boy (which adults used to do in front of me when I was a kid, to no sexual end). Another is that the boy may have glimpsed it during a bathroom break.

This is the 1993 Chandler case we're discussing here, against which there are numerous damning facts. These include audio-recordings of the father, made before the boy came forward with the accusations, discussing with an associate how he, the father, was going to "destory" Jackson in a "nasty, cruel way". There is also the matter that the father had his own son drugged with a substance that is scientifically known to concretize false memories, and that until these drugs were administered, the boy denied that any abuse had taken place.

It's EXTORTION. If you guys believe in justice and fairness, you have got to put aside your fear of the strange and unusual person that you know Michael to be, and examine the facts for yourselves.

[Bill]

I reject that as implausible because it seems like a bit of a stretch for the extortionists. From what you've stated, 'cause I'm not researching a damn thing at this point, it seems like the most elaborate scheme these folks are able to put together is not that much above a simple slip and fall or assault charge. Criminals are criminals because they are lazy, and I don't believe they would think they'd even need anything more than the allegation of molestation to get their payoff, and that's apparently all it took. Why research his health, study his disorder, then take that knowledge and gamble on it paying off when you don't need to. It doesn't make sense. Path of least resistance; why take that unnecessary risk and do all that extra work. I think you're giving the extortionists too much credit. I don't disagree that those kids were used for a payday, but I don't believe that the only crime that was committed was by the parents.

On the other side, if the extortionists were cunning enough to put something like that together could it also be argued that Michael Jackson could study and select a family who would be less than credible were it to become an issue?

As for people undressing in front of you as a child, unless you were at the YMCA or amongst family members I don't see that happening. Certainly not someone who was already thought of as strange or odd. And the bathroom glimpse, the most plausible, would be more than a "oops, you're in the bathroom, sorry" situation. If by some chance it was accidental, at the correct angle, at the correct moment, with enough time to at least make the simplest of studies of his body, I think that would be too many factors to make an amazing coincidence. Jackson would have to be very, very unlucky for all of those things to align by accident.

[Vortigern99]

Bill, thanks for being willing to discuss this from the standpoint of evidence and reason.

Here's a youtube video showing numerous pictures of Michael's vitiligo, which was apparent and obvious as early as the 80s: YouTube - Michael Jackson and Vitiligo

The Chandlers would have had to expend no energy doing "research" into the condition, as it was plain and evident for all to see. (And for Hector and other people laying accusations against MJ for "wanting to be white", the depigmentation procedure is chosen by many people who have this condition. It's all right there in the video for you to see with your own eyes. There are also links in the info bar of the vid, links to medical pages describing the condition and depigmentation procedure. It is real and legitimate and not an indication that Michael secretly wants to be white!)

All the Chandler boy would have had to do to be aware of the condition would have been to hang around with Michael, which he did off and on for some months. This introduces a new possibility into this discussion: That the Chandler boy, being a young black male and curious about such things, might have asked Michael if the condition had spread to his private parts as well. I think it's entirely within the realm of rationality that Michael, on being asked this question, decided to share the answer, "yes", with the boy.

Whether Michael studied the Chandler family or did a background check on them prior to his inviting the boy to his ranch, I cannot say. If he had done, he would have found nothing on them, so far as I know or have read about them. (It was the Arvizo family, not the Chandlers, who had the absurdly litigious past.)

As to adults undressing or being undressed in front of me as a child, would you like a list? My mother and father were rather liberal about such things, and so were their friends. They weren't nudists per se, just not especially modest in front of the kids. I can clearly recall my mother's best friend Nancy, yelling at my sister and me whilst standing on the staircase of her house, naked as the day she was born. Our mother was not there at the time. My mother used to do the same thing, sometimes when we had close friends over. (I know it's weird, but it isn't criminal!) We also had a private house on Lake Conroe where many of the adults, men and women, would go nude most of the time. Were they perverts? Child molestors? Criminals? (Well, they all smoked pot, so the answer is up to you.) Granted, our parents were there also... but we saw them all naked just the same. The degree of conservatism and puritanism evident in the thinking "no adult should ever be nude in front of a child" has reached absurd levels here IMO. It doesn't matter, because none of those people thought of us kids in a sexual way.

It's the same thing with Michael. I don't believe the thought even crosses his mind, that children could somehow be sex objects, so to him there's nothing wrong with undressing in front of a child, or sleeping in a bed or in the same room with them.

[Mikey]

I never seen my parents naked -- and i'm glad

[thunderbolt]

Doesn't he now live out of the country? maybe to avoid further charges?

[Vortigern99]

No, he lives in LA as of last month.

Michael's Spokesperson Confirms L.A Residence

[Bill]

Aha, I hadn't noticed the Austin, Texas location. There's something in the water out there, I tell ya. Put in that context I could easily see a young Gibby Haynes strolling down Guadalupe completely in the buff without so much as a question or odd look.
BUT, I still can't see an acceptable reason for Michael Jackson to be nude in his circumstance. I can however see how he might be naive enough to do something that others' might immediately notice as reckless behavior on his part. It's no crime to be gullible, but it doesn't help the man's case. You would think that if you're under suspicion the last thing you would want to do is risk a situation like that, but I guess he's not known for his grasp on reality.
If there was no intent then he's massively self-destructive. That's a whole other topic though.

So any report if he's actually sick?

[Vortigern99]

No, there's no news since the report that started this thread.

EDIT: And BTW, I grew up in Houston, which is considerably more conservative than Austin, where I now reside. That didn't keep my parents' clothes on, or their friends', however.

[Hector]

Man, late on this thread. Can't stand the freak because of the reasons Hector stated.

IMO if anybody thinks the creepy sob is anything but a child molesting wanna be white guy, well I think your head is buried in the sand.

Why does he want lighter skin?
Why are all his women white?
Why did he pay a white women to have his children?
Why does he create an amusement park in his yard?
Why does he sleep with kids?
Why does he pay them all off?

Why doesn't he just shoot himself?

That's why I like you, Zemo...you are a straight shooter.

[Vortigern99]

Whereas I am crooked and false.

[Mikey]

I think Jackson is as innocent as OJ

[Hector]

[Hector]

Whereas I am crooked and false.

I have no negative things to say about you...just Jacko...he gets my wrath...not you.

[Vortigern99]

There is an abundance of pictures and video of Jackson showing signs of the skin condition vitiligo. I've already offered a link to one youtube video that collates these pics into an easy-to-watch 5-minute presentation.

YouTube - Michael Jackson and Vitiligo

These are undoctored, unenhanced pictures, often of slowed-down video in which you otherwise could not have noticed the condition, that go back to the 80s.

But still you persist in believing -- erroneously -- that he "wants to be white". You want to believe he's a freak; it makes him easier to dismiss. You're not even bothering to follow any of the links I've offered, which attest to the proof of his skin condition, or to the facts of the two cases against him, BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY MADE UP YOUR MIND.

Go ahead. Persecute him. Dismiss him. Reject him. You don't know what you're talking about, and you don't want to know. It's easier to label him a freak and put him out of your mind.

I'm done here.

[kingdom warrior]

What if it were a woman? If an adult woman were babysitting your child, and ended up sleeping next to the child in bed, would you be so quick to conclude that 1) the woman was sexually molesting your child and 2) she needed to be physically assaulted as punishment?

People are far too quick to make snap judgements about Jackson, with no evidence, a load of absurd and contradictory accusations, and clear monetary motivations on the part of demonstrably crooked parents, simply because Jackson is "weird and creepy".

1.No Woman babysitter would end up sleeping next to my child especially if she's not related to her.

2.And damn skippy if she molested my child...I wouldn't touch the woman but i have female friends and family that would wipe the floor with her.......I have Zero Tolerance for Molesters!!!! They are Pigs!!!!

Michael jackson is a multi millionaire if he wants to get into scandals he should just go somewhere and get Laid with real woman! and not get caught up in scandals with kids.............