Sony and Marvel/Disney's partnership on Spidey coming to an end

[C.H.O.A.M.]

Boy, do I hate Apple! I would never buy one of their products again. I hope they don't buy Sony!!

me too. never bought any of their products, never will.
let them bring some of their HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of cash stockpiles into the US economy, pay taxes on it, print "made in china" on the FRONT of their boxes instead of buried on the back while "designed in california" sits front and center in bold type, get serious about recycling... oh yeah, and maybe cooperate the next time the FBI wants to try to stop another terrorist attack. oh that's right, the feds hacked their phone anyhow.

[LonnieFisher]

Boy, do I hate Apple! I would never buy one of their products again. I hope they don't buy Sony!!

[Earth 2 Chris]

I heard and read on several outlets that if Sony is bought, the deal is null and void. And apparently Sony is being sniffed around by Apple? I heard this is another reason Sony "caved", since they want to be able to play nice and maybe keep a piece of the pie.

Again, this may all be conjecture, but I heard/read it on multiple sites.

Chris

[powersthatbe]

Read Charlie Cox might be Peter's Lawyer in the 3rd installment. Considering how far from home ended I could see that.

[Nostalgiabuff]

^Yep. Everyone assumed only Sony would lose out. I think I only saw one article that recognized how post-Endgame, Marvel only only had one established and young star (Panther) left.

that's not true anyway. they still have Thor and the Guardians. they also have Marvel, DR. Strange and Antman with sequels to come out

[monitor_ep]

Disney just needs to treat the Sony Spider-Verse like they did with Agents of SHIELD & Netflix Defenders. There part of the same universe but the movie ignore them until the need to include them down the road. I can see Norman Osborn being used and hopeful Spider-Man can use Kingpin.

[MRP]

I'm not surprised they came to an agreement. How much longer does Sony have the rights to Spider-Man?

The deal persists as long as they keep making movies. If they let it lie fallow for a set period of time, it reverts to Marvel, but as long as they keep making Spidey movies the deal automatically renews. The reversion for non-use is how Daredevil reverted to Marvel. Fox had the same type of deal for FF and X-Men, which is why they trotted out new movies regularly to keep those licenses before the merger.

-M

[phil]

I'm not surprised they came to an agreement. How much longer does Sony have the rights to Spider-Man?

[hedrap]

^Yep. Everyone assumed only Sony would lose out. I think I only saw one article that recognized how post-Endgame, Marvel only only had one established and young star (Panther) left.

[Earth 2 Chris]

I would have been real surprised if both companies left that much money laying on the table. Apart, they both stand to make a lot less money than together.

Chris

[LonnieFisher]

...and as said, it was all pressure tactics by Disney...

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/s...an-1203351489/

Bummer!

[hedrap]

...and as said, it was all pressure tactics by Disney...

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/sony-marvel-tom-holland-spider-man-1203351489/

[Wee67]

No shot at you Wee, but that's not complete.

No shot at all. I appreciate the information. My telling did not include all that great background.

[hedrap]

You're right about one pressuring the other to get into the bidding war (though it was a very short battle), but the roles were reversed. Rupert Murdoch personally reached out to Bob Iger to propose the sale of most of Fox. Murdoch had previous dealings with Iger and likes him. When word got out, Comcast CEO Brian Roberts personally went to Murdoch's home with a counteroffer. Comcast knew going in that it would not likely be able to out bid Disney (Disney is a much larger content creation company while Comcast is invested more into content distribution). Roberts put in a higher offer, but Iger came back with a bigger one.

Disney bought Fox because they see themselves as content creators. The IP's and future content Fox creates/could create was irresistible to Iger. He's had amazing success buying Pixar then Marvel then Star Wars... he's brilliantly aligned all this content along with its merchandising potential into a media giant.

This article has a great (or tragic, I suppose, depending on your perspective) of who owns what media these days-
https://www.vox.com/2018/1/23/169058...ionships-chart

No shot at you Wee, but that's not complete. Comcast made overtures to Fox before buying NBCU. Murdoch wasn't interested in selling at the time. Post NBCU buyout, they then made another pass which stalled over the layers of Fox channels, (cable, network, regional) and how it would run afoul of the FCC. Roberts than got pressured by Spielberg and Friends to bail Katzenberg/Dreamworks out as their international financing (Reliant from India), was falling apart and Disney's best offer was to dissolve them into Pixar.

So Roberts overpaid for DW which took him out of the acquisitions game. As this happened, Rupert retired believing his kids could handle the business until a merger with Time-Warner could shake out. Except the lifelong pi$$ing match between James and Lachlan went into hyperdrive over who was actually in control. Rupert sided with James, who then imploded the company in under two years. That's when James reached out to Iger, who offered him a save-face parachute as long as Rupert would go along. At that point, Rupert had to figure out how to take care of Lachlan, who wasn't jumping over in the Disney buyout. So now he runs what remains of Fox.

[Wee67]

As for Disney, they didn't buy Fox to bolster the MCU. They did it because Fox was for sale and Comcast had interest. The Fox library merged with Universal would have been a legit contender for Disney to fight. Things like Apes, Alien, Predator (and The Fly) alongside Universal Monsters, Kong and Jurassic Park is a serious theme park attraction. Then mix FF and X-Men with Hulk (and Namor) at a studio where Spielberg and Zemeckis operate out of. House all of that in a Comcast controlled pipeline, (cable channels, SVOD app) and it's heavy competition for the male demo which was why Disney bought Marvel in the first place. Disney had no choice but to pay a premium and give away exec positions. If they didn't, they would have been forced to overpay for Sony.

You're right about one pressuring the other to get into the bidding war (though it was a very short battle), but the roles were reversed. Rupert Murdoch personally reached out to Bob Iger to propose the sale of most of Fox. Murdoch had previous dealings with Iger and likes him. When word got out, Comcast CEO Brian Roberts personally went to Murdoch's home with a counteroffer. Comcast knew going in that it would not likely be able to out bid Disney (Disney is a much larger content creation company while Comcast is invested more into content distribution). Roberts put in a higher offer, but Iger came back with a bigger one.

Disney bought Fox because they see themselves as content creators. The IP's and future content Fox creates/could create was irresistible to Iger. He's had amazing success buying Pixar then Marvel then Star Wars... he's brilliantly aligned all this content along with its merchandising potential into a media giant.

This article has a great (or tragic, I suppose, depending on your perspective) of who owns what media these days-

https://www.vox.com/2018/1/23/16905844/media-landscape-verizon-amazon-comcast-disney-fox-relationships-chart