Sony and Marvel/Disney's partnership on Spidey coming to an end

[Hector]

Disney needs to "liberate" Spiderman by buying Sony Pictures.

While Disney is bigger than Sony Pictures...unfortunately for Disney...Sony Corporation is a very large and diversified giant Japanese conglomerate. It’s too big overall even for Disney.

[palitoy]

I think we can all agree the person losing the most is Happy Hogan since he and Aunt May are officially broken up.

I can think of one guy happy about that.

[Hedji]

I think we can all agree the person losing the most is Happy Hogan since he and Aunt May are officially broken up.

[drquest]

Disney needs to "liberate" Spiderman by buying Sony Pictures.

[monitor_ep]

The other problem is Sony does not want to sell Spider-Man, it is there main cash cow. No other movies come close to what Spider-Man does.

[hedrap]

Little Rough Math.

FFH Budget: 160Mil (+Marketing 280Mil) = 440Mil
Gross Return: 380 (Domestic) + 730 (Foreign) = 1.11Bil

Domestic Revenue Split - 60/40 (228/152 Sony/Theaters)
International Revenue Split - 35/65 (292/438 Sony/Globe)

Disney's Current Take: 5% (of 520Mil) = 26Mil +ownership of all merchandise rights

Sony's Net Revenue: 520 - 26 - 440 = 54Mil

Disney's Offer: 50% Co-Finance (NOT Marketing costs)

Using the 50/50 split on FFH, Disney would put up 80M to Sony's 360M.

Notice how not one article has details on what Disney wants in return? Because it's way beyond 5%.

Disney needs Spidey because RDJ and Evans are gone. Because Lady Thor and Eternals have a very good chance of being bleh.

Disney wants to own Spidey without having to pay Sony for Spidey's rights or incur the marketing costs. Offer Sony 1Bil and they'll sell Spidey by the weekend. But they can't afford to do it after the Fox purchase and streaming ramp-up.

[palitoy]

Sony hasn't made a decent movie with the character since 2. I thought the Marvel ones were good, not spectacular but this is a terrible plan.

Marvel actually got my butt into a theatre to see a Spider-Man movie again, haven't done that since (ugh) 3.

[hedrap]

It's a backdoor way of buying controlling interest over Spidey while not paying for ownership. Spidey is worth about a billion on his own.

Before the Russo's were given the Avengers they pitched a Spideyverse to Sony. Nothing stopping it now.

[phil]

Won't last. Neither side wins. Sony needs the MCU connection. Marvel needs Spider-Man.

I agree.

[Earth 2 Chris]

I find it interesting that Sony used the phrase "IP they do not own". Well, Sony, Marvel/Disney DOES own Spider-Man. You just own the film rights. And you can't make a hit picture to save your lives nowadays.

There is NO doubt, the huge box office of Far From Home was riding on the heat from Endgame, with it being that film, and the MCU's first major arc's epilogue. Homecoming did well, but not these kind of numbers. Without that connection, I don't think a lot of people are going to care about another Spider-Man movie, not after we had it so good.

Plus, that cliffhanger...they better resolve that, but if they can't use MCU elements, I don't know what the point is?

Hopefully they get this straightened out.

Chris

[Bruce Banner]

Sony's statement on the matter:

Much of today's news about Spider-Man has mischaracterized recent discussions about Kevin Feige's involvement in the franchise. We are disappointed, but respect Disney's decision not to have him continue as a lead producer of our next live action Spider-Man film. We hope this might change in the future, but understand that the many new responsibilities that Disney has given him - including all their newly added Marvel properties - do not allow time for him to work on IP they do not own. Kevin is terrific and we are grateful for his help and guidance and appreciate the path he has helped put us on, which we will continue.

[glimpy]

Heard all about that b******* on the news last night.

[monitor_ep]

I hate that Sony got greedy with there one property that is making money thanks to Marvel. What bothers me most is there past deal, I cannot image more Sony Spider-verse movies without Spider-Man. Just how far can they go without him, and now we cannot see the potential of Marvel characters with Spider-verse characters.

Black Panther vs Kraven the Hunter
Kingpin showing up in the Spider-verse
Morbius The Living Vampire should be able to show up in the Adventures Of Fear (Ghost Rider & Helstorm)
Who has control of the Sinister Six now that most of them have shown up in the Marvel movies?

And do you trust Sony to do a good Spider-Man movie, there track record is great and Venom was far from a great movie.

[Wee67]

Won't last. Neither side wins. Sony needs the MCU connection. Marvel needs Spider-Man.

The money they made of the joint venture will probably bring them back together again. Though it may take a few Sony failures to get there.

[hedrap]

Won't last. Neither side wins. Sony needs the MCU connection. Marvel needs Spider-Man.