Sony and Marvel/Disney's partnership on Spidey coming to an end

[Earth 2 Chris]

After 5 previous films, I didn't mind the fresh take of Stark being a surrogate father figure to Peter. It took the out-of-left-field aspect of the Civil War comic and made it work. It raised the stakes for Spidey's character in the hero-heavy MCU where plenty of other character's have similar or even more impressive powers. It made Spider-Man matter in the MCU, beyond just being Marvel's flagship character. In-story, he mattered more, due to him being the heir apparent to the universe's super-genius.

The funny thing is, if the MCU loses Peter Parker, they now have Reed Richards there to assume his comic role of "smartest guy in the universe."

Chris

[LonnieFisher]

I think Spider-man will be better in the long run without being in the MCU. His character was so diminished by Stark.

[hedrap]

First, I'm with Crimson. I've said here, for years, industry consolidation is horrendous. Disney/Fox will be the poster child but the real moment was Dreamworks collapse into a glorified shingle. WB is now a library of ATT. Apple already has a good stake in Disney, so that full merger is eventually coming. Microsoft and Amazon will fight over whose left. In the end, the studios will become another arm tied to the gaming divisions.

As for Disney, they didn't buy Fox to bolster the MCU. They did it because Fox was for sale and Comcast had interest. The Fox library merged with Universal would have been a legit contender for Disney to fight. Things like Apes, Alien, Predator (and The Fly) alongside Universal Monsters, Kong and Jurassic Park is a serious theme park attraction. Then mix FF and X-Men with Hulk (and Namor) at a studio where Spielberg and Zemeckis operate out of. House all of that in a Comcast controlled pipeline, (cable channels, SVOD app) and it's heavy competition for the male demo which was why Disney bought Marvel in the first place. Disney had no choice but to pay a premium and give away exec positions. If they didn't, they would have been forced to overpay for Sony.

If consolidation is the road we're on, then Comcast should buy Sony just to get Bond, then package the Marvel characters (Spidey, Hulk, Namor) in a swap with Disney for the entire (non-Marvel) Fox library. Marvel is made whole and Universal corners the horror/sci-fi genre, save Trek and Godzilla.

[palitoy]

It was fun having Spidey in the mix of all the Avengers and such, a real high point for me.

The two movies produced under Marvel are IMO good, not great but certainly pleasant and right headed in many ways.

Sony has made brilliant Spider-Man movies without Marvel, they have made absolutely abysmal Spider-Man movies on their own, so it's a real guessing game based on the director/screenplay they choose.

[Earth 2 Chris]

It might also be a power play to show Sony "We don't need you. But you need us." Which I think is honestly true.

Chris

[Hedji]

It's a diplomatic and classy statement to be sure, but inside, he's gotta be really angry.

You know when Mom tells you that friend you've been playing with is a bad influence, and you're not allowed to play with him anymore? Now imagine if that friend happened to be Spider-Man. That would suck.

[Bruce Banner]

Kevin Feige quote via Entertainment Weekly:

Kevin Feige spoke a little more in depth about all the drama swirling around the webslinger, explaining the fixed time aspect of the original deal. When asked by Entertainment Weekly how he was feeling about Spider-Man, Feige said:

“I’m feeling about Spider-Man gratitude and joy. We got to make five films within the MCU with Spider-Man, two standalone films and three with the Avengers. It was a dream that I never thought would happen. It was never meant to last forever. We knew there was a finite amount of time that we’d be able to do this, and we told the story we wanted to tell, and I’ll always be thankful for that.”

[Bruce Banner]

Jeremy Renner has apparently made his thoughts known via Instagram:

"Hey @sonypictures we want Spider-Man back to @therealstanlee and @marvel please, thank you #congrats #spidermanrocks #please."

[monitor_ep]

I haven't watched the Disney Star Wars due to the fact to just dumped all the past work. There was so much they could have worked with but nope they just created there own version of Star Wars and I decided it was not for me.

On a side not I cannot wait till my nephew gets a little older so we can go to Disney and spend time at Star Wars.

[CrimsonGhost]

I am a shareholder in Disney (many shares) and this is in the talks. Sony will not sell back the rights to Disney/Marvel because he is there cash cow, but if you buy the farm it makes a difference.

Hopefully Sony & Marvel can work out a deal. It would work out best in the long run, I mean even Venom they had to get some rewrites from Marvel so without Marvel they are not going to make it.

If I were in your shoes, I’d be furious about how they’ve handled Star Wars.

[monitor_ep]

I am a shareholder in Disney (many shares) and this is in the talks. Sony will not sell back the rights to Disney/Marvel because he is there cash cow, but if you buy the farm it makes a difference.

Hopefully Sony & Marvel can work out a deal. It would work out best in the long run, I mean even Venom they had to get some rewrites from Marvel so without Marvel they are not going to make it.

[CrimsonGhost]

Oh I can, the main reason Disney bought Fox was to get the Marvel characters back, the other reason was to add there catalog to there's so that they can offer a big online catalog. So think how big it would be if the added Sony to there list. As Sony keeps saying they have 900 Spider-verse characters they have control over (only about 20 they would use) but think about what would happen if Marvel had that list of characters to add to there list.

I work in the industry so I have a different point of view. That Fox deal eliminated thousands of jobs. It’s like the mouse owns everything. There needs to be more places to work than just Disney.

I wouldn’t want to see it happen just so Kraven can meet Hulk.

The good part is that I don’t think they’re going to buy Sony anyway.

[monitor_ep]

Oh I can, the main reason Disney bought Fox was to get the Marvel characters back, the other reason was to add there catalog to there's so that they can offer a big online catalog. So think how big it would be if the added Sony to there list. As Sony keeps saying they have 900 Spider-verse characters they have control over (only about 20 they would use) but think about what would happen if Marvel had that list of characters to add to there list.

[CrimsonGhost]

All I know is the Disney takeover of Fox cost a lot of people their jobs and made for less opportunities for available work so I’m not rooting for Disney to takeover Sony just for Spider-Man movies.

[Nostalgiabuff]

they'll work it out, there's too much money to be made for both of them