With the first movie, they made a stylistic decision to show much of the war against Hydra in montage. I doubt they would set another movie in WWII, but it gives them breathing room if they need to go back to that period to introduce a character's origin or a plot point. Quite honestly, I'm just pleasantly surprised we got one movie set in that era.
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Love Brubaker's run, love the Winter Soldier, and really dig that they are using this as source material.
I have no doubt we are going to see Flashbacks galore... if not here then on web series and DVD extras and maybe even Agents of Shield or if there is an Agent Carter series. They will need to explain how Bucky survived WW2 and bring him through the Cold War (Winter Soldier) up through present day.
I'm also suspecting that Marvel has long term plans and having Bucky/Winter Soldier around would allow for a soft-reboot of the franchise in Captain America 4 or whatever by doing the Bucky-Cap storyline (which might also mean Civil War on Avengers 3).
Hopefully the focus will remain firmly on Steve Rogers/Captain America in Winter Soldier, despite the fact that all the pieces seem to be falling in place for a "Secret Avengers" potential spinoff movie with the cover ops Avengers like Black Widow, Falcon and Winter Soldier populating this film.Last edited by samurainoir; Mar 10, '14, 3:08 PM.Comment
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How can we regret anything if the movie isn't out yet? We don't know what all the scenes are about. Yes, Hollywood shows WAAAAAAY to much in the trailers but you don't get all of it. I stay away from all that stuff anymore. I no longer want to know anything before I see it.
With that in mind, I don't think they would show any WW2 scenes (if there are any) in the trailer without giving away the significance of who the Winter Soldier is to the general non-comics reading public.Comment
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They have an opportunity here to do 'One Off' Movies (James Bond) instead of going down the Trilogy path (Star Wars)...
None of the main characters (Iron man, Thor, Capt. America, & even the Hulk) have to be tied down to a Trilogy...there are way too many self-contained story lines that would make GREAT Movies then having to commit to all the negativity a Trilogy brings with it.
Plus by the time this is all over you'll have the reformed Avengers (Vision, Scarlet Witch, Ant-Man, Wasp, Hawk-Eye) in place and other story lines to tell (GrimReaper/WonderMan/Vision)...which can tie in Ultron again as well.Everyone is Entitled to MY Opinion...Your's, not so much!Comment
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Actually Hydra is represented exactly as it was in the comics back in the 60's and 70's except for the red skull connection, it was not a movie marketing decision, but even in the 60's it was easy to market anyone beating up on germans there were whole genres of tv (combat, hogan's heroes, rat patrol, 12 oclock high) and film (guns of navarone, kelly's heroes, dirty dozen, Hell is for heroes etc) in the 60's driven by retelling ww2You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie BanksComment
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My own pet theory right now is that Ultron will have less to do with Ant-Man and much more to do with the Jarvis the AI and Tony Stark. I guess we'll see once it comes out if they are going towards Cap's Kooky Quartet et al or not.Last edited by samurainoir; Mar 10, '14, 9:23 PM.Comment
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I am pretty sure that as villians it could be done if they chose to (There were plenty of Nazi figures in the recent hasbro indiana Jones toy lines, it was the actual 4th ,movie figures no one seemed to want).
And as I said in the comics Hydra were always basically Nazi's and were led by a former Nazi (at least they were through the Bronze age when i stopped reading Cap)Comment
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There was a decision made by someone involved with the movie to rewrite WW2 history. It was more than likely a marketing decision plain and simple. It was covered in the Avengers EMH episodes, too, same thing. More than likely can't get it past TV sensors. One swastika and a buffoon Hitler actor was it as far as historical reference to the real world menace. There are bans on using that imagery in advertising and liscensing in a lot of European countries.Last edited by thunderbolt; Mar 11, '14, 5:42 PM.You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie BanksComment
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There was a decision made by someone involved with the movie to rewrite WW2 history. It was more than likely a marketing decision plain and simple. It was covered in the Avengers EMH episodes, too, same thing. More than likely can't get it past TV sensors. One swastika and a buffoon Hitler actor was it as far as historical reference to the real world menace. There are bans on using that imagery in advertising and liscensing in a lot of European countries.
I don't see how this is "rewriting history", though. They explicitly mention Hitler and the Germany. We know these are Nazis. I think the focus on Hyrda, and making that something ultimately distinct from Hitler's Third Reich, was more of a creative decision than a result of censorship.Comment
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