Forever Evil SPOILER: Nightwing Is Really....

[The Toyroom]

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... Dick Grayson. Apparently The Crime Syndicate of Earth-3 captures Nightwing and reveals his ID to an assemblage of villains.

Oh, and Ultraman (the Earth-3 Superman) snorts some Kryptonite and moves the moon.

I'm so glad I've given up on this "mature" nonsense from DC....

BAH!

[johnnystorm]

The 3d covers this week are pretty...
I think DC expected this to be a big news event, but looks like that fizzled. The Internet remains unbroken.

[The Toyroom]

The 3d covers this week are pretty...
I think DC expected this to be a big news event, but looks like that fizzled. The Internet remains unbroken.

Yeah it sounds like it backfired on them...I think "event fatigue" has set in already with the New 52....

[Earth 2 Chris]

The rumor I heard is DiDio is finally going to kill Dick. He's been gunning for him since he first walked in the door.

A few years ago I'd been up in arms over this. Now I know it doesn't really matter. These are in no way my heroes any more. They just KINDA look like them...

Chris

[madmarva]

It's not groundbreaking or at all newsworthy outside of comics fandom, but it's a fun comic.

I don't think Dick's going to die, but rather join Luthor and some other key villains as Batman to fight the Crime Syndicate.

[BlackKnight]

I thought Dick Grayson ... was Nightwing ? .

[madmarva]

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He is, but the JLA members all died in an as yet untold story between Trinity War and the start of Forever Evil. He's captured by the Crime Syndicate and then unmasked.

[Earth 2 Chris]

Well, at least they killed them all at once and got that out of the way. Now they can bring them back all at once too.

I thought the DCnU had new rules about death, etc? Sounds about the same to me.

Chris

[VintageMike]

We can hate on it all we want but the the only fiasco in this so far is DC underestimated demand for the special covers and is allocating them per retailer. So sales wise this event is already a hit for them. Sometimes I think we all forget that's all any of this is about.

[The Toyroom]

Isn't a bit odd that only 2 years into the reboot that they feel they already have to resort to "game changers" and events like this? At this rate I can see stuff piling on where once again they'll back themselves into a corner and have to reboot again to get out from under all of the debris.

If these are really new versions of the characters that have only been operating for 5 years or less then why push the envelope with a Dick Grayson reveal as if its the same DG that has been around since Earth-1 was invented? I mean that's what you'd normally do with a decades old version in order to shake up the status quo and keep things fresh. Isn't the whole point of the New 52 that its fresh to begin with?

Just more bad writing/plotting/editing IMO....

(As a side note, I was re-reading stuff like "Superman:Secret Origin", "Blackest Night", and "Legion of 3 Worlds" this past weekend and my, oh my, how Geoff Johns star has fallen since then. His New 52 work seems hacky and cliched by comparison)

[The Toyroom]

Double post...

[Earth 2 Chris]

We can hate on it all we want but the the only fiasco in this so far is DC underestimated demand for the special covers and is allocating them per retailer. So sales wise this event is already a hit for them. Sometimes I think we all forget that's all any of this is about.

Yeah, I know that's what it's all about. That much is evident. And it's working for them...in the short term anyway, which is all they think of, as evidenced by the constant turnarounds and trade paperback rewrites we've seen.

Isn't a bit odd that only 2 years into the reboot that they feel they already have to resort to "game changers" and events like this? At this rate I can see stuff piling on where once again they'll back themselves into a corner and have to reboot again to get out from under all of the debris.

If these are really new versions of the characters that have only been operating for 5 years or less then why push the envelope with a Dick Grayson reveal as if its the same DG that has been around since Earth-1 was invented? I mean that's what you'd normally do with a decades old version in order to shake up the status quo and keep things fresh. Isn't the whole point of the New 52 that its fresh to begin with?

I was thinking the same thing. These events and "game changers" as you put it real add more baggage to the characters, and trying to cram that all into 5 years is nigh impossible.

Won't an exposed Dick Grayson lead to an exposed Bruce Wayne? Maybe this is DC's way of doing what Marvel has essentially done and get rid of almost all secret IDs?

Wait, I'm caring again. Never mind.

Chris

[The Toyroom]

Won't an exposed Dick Grayson lead to an exposed Bruce Wayne? Maybe this is DC's way of doing what Marvel has essentially done and get rid of almost all secret IDs?

Exactly. And the Marvel universe isn't the same as the DC universe. It doesn't make a difference if Captain America's secret ID is out in the open for example. Batman however is a different story...How can he strike fear into the hearts of criminals (a superstitious and cowardly lot, mind you ) if he's revealed to be a man (and a non-powered one at that) instead of an urban legend?

[The Toyroom]

Wait, I'm caring again. Never mind.

Oops! Me too!

I'll just go back to re-reading my 70s/80s run of "The Brave and the Bold"...Classic Batman team-ups, done-in-one, no drama, no status quo shakers...Perfect!

[hedrap]

Yeah, I know that's what it's all about. That much is evident. And it's working for them...in the short term anyway, which is all they think of, as evidenced by the constant turnarounds and trade paperback rewrites we've seen.



I was thinking the same thing. These events and "game changers" as you put it real add more baggage to the characters, and trying to cram that all into 5 years is nigh impossible.

Won't an exposed Dick Grayson lead to an exposed Bruce Wayne? Maybe this is DC's way of doing what Marvel has essentially done and get rid of almost all secret IDs?

Wait, I'm caring again. Never mind.

Chris

The logic behind Batman's identity is supposedly Morrison's "genius" global bat-franchising puts Wayne as the creator and Grayson as the first derivative off of the Batman prototype.

Like you, Iron Man is Tony Stark's bodyguard.

It's all terrible. Dido is a disaster. I've read his family is Hollywood connected, so that would explain his ability to fail upward. Firing him could upset the wrong agent/producer/manager/executive etc... whose tight with whatever other family member.

What's coming is SOP. Dido, Johns, Lee most likely get to ride this out through Batman/Superman as comic sales will always be flat. WB execs will look at their 2015 quarterly and if "the current direction" isn't working, or if Batman/Superman gets destroyed in a hugely jam-packed summer, then Diane Nelson will do whatever she has to save her arse.

WB has little interest in the publishing game. Since 2003 they've sold every unit and spun off the Time magazine division just last May. DC is all IP value and a way to keep trademarks and copyrights alive and owned. If Dido and company can't come up with useful reinventions, they're done.