Captain America: The Winter Soldier - First Image Revealed + the Writers interview

[hedrap]

Putting aside the "70's film" PR hackery....

Take these pieces...

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/captain-america-2-post-credit-scene-rumored-spoilers

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/captain-america-2-sets-avengers-2-says-disney-ceo-bob-iger

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/something-big-happens-shield-captain-america-2-hints-clark-gregg-video

...and it's pretty clear we're looking at a Red Skull reveal with the establishment of Hydra.

So if Redford is not a Skull diguise as in the comics, then he's a member of Hydra and they become the de facto villain on SHIELD.

And that leads to the Von Strucker opening for A2.

What I'm wondering now is if they do show Scarlet and Quicksilver in Cap2, do they explain their abilities with the Cosmic Cube? If it can alter reality, it would explain both of their powers without being mutants. He can "speed" through real-time and she can alter physics.

That would also tie-in with the Inifinity Gauntlet, IIRC.

[The Bat]

...and it's pretty clear we're looking at a Red Skull reveal with the establishment of Hydra.

Ya know, I think you're on to something.

[thunderbolt]

It would make sense that if true the character could wear different masks, and why not go with Robert Redford's?

Dane, we were onto the Redford thing a ways back in this thread.

[Operation:Mego]

^^^ And even funnier, hed said he doubted that they would go that route.

I would be surprised if they went to the "Skull Return" card this quickly.

But I'll have to take his word for it, since I'm avoiding any and all spoilers like the plague. I think I've already read too much.

[The Bat]

Dane, we were onto the Redford thing a ways back in this thread.

Well, I'm kinda out of the loop...I don't visit the Museum as often as I use to.

[hedrap]

Hey Op, let's look at my full remark.

I would be surprised if they went to the "Skull Return" card this quickly.

From what I've read, this seems like it's going to be a "Cap has old-school virtues" that doesn't jibe with modern clandestine ops. My speculation - Winter Soldier a product of our government abandoning one of our own. Redford will be the guy in charge of the coverup, who will then sic Batroc some Shield agents like Falcon on Cap to stop him from discovering the truth.

My above links are in reference to two moments that happen in the third act and the post-credits. The latter is A2 stuff.

If Cap finds clues about Skull earlier in the film as a foreshadow, then yeah, he did "return" as the villain. If nothing is foreshadowed about Skull, and it just happens in the third act, then it's a "reveal". That's the difference in audience awareness. Each one creates a different story in retrospect.

You keep posting the same "70's political thriller" gibberish the directors and whoever spin out, so I'll assume you're reading it. It means from the production's perspective, if they spend two full acts on Hydra with Von Strucker and Arnim Zola as the key figures, then Skull did not "return" as the villain if he's a third act "reveal". Otherwise, a "return" would require they spend time showing/explaining how he survived the Cosmic Cube, and at that point the "Political Thriller" is nowhere in the story structure. By doing a "reveal" you can leave the Cube/Hydra exposition for the SHIELD show.

And I'm not Dane, so your passi-aggressive was a little more forced than usual.

[Operation:Mego]

And I'm not Dane, so your passi-aggressive was a little more forced than usual.

I wasn't being passive-aggressive, I was just humorously pointing out what I thought was a contradiction. The use of the smiley-faces was to show that I was only being humorous and just joking.

[hedrap]

Please. Save it. The fact you went an pull-quoted one line says otherwise. Only people I've ever met who guard and shill for a movie, are usually collecting a check.

Anyway...

There's now this as final confirmation about the big tah-dah...

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Captain-America-2-Secret-Villain-Accidentally-Revealed-By-Marvel-41714.html

What I find interesting is that everyone is pointing to the Cap2 Skull figure as confirmation, but I haven't seen anyone showcase this piece yet, which is the biggest piece of the puzzle to me...

http://www.figures.com/gallery/data/13131/DSCN6916.JPG

Then there's this one...

http://www.figures.com/gallery/data/13131/DSCN69141.JPG

Now that's an odd set, considering all the others are movie tie-ins.

It feels like an extension between Cap2 and what's now being filmed for A2.

[thunderbolt]

especially throwing MODOK in there.

[Operation:Mego]

Please. Save it. The fact you went an pull-quoted one line says otherwise. Only people I've ever met who guard and shill for a movie, are usually collecting a check.

If I offended you, then I really am sorry. That was not my intent. Only after TheBat responded to thunderbolt's comment did I realize you weren't Dane. I wouldn't say I really 'guard' the film, I'm just really excited for it and post information whenever I can.

[Operation:Mego]

[The Bat]

Oh Man...that was AWESOME!!

[Operation:Mego]

Interview with composer Henry Jackman:

Henry Jackman, who previously scored Marvel's X-Men: First Class, talks about scoring TWS:

"The score I’ve done recently, Captain America…The reason I like it particularly is because it’s 50% production and all the tricks I’ve learnt from spending years in the record industry but then it’s also got the kind of injection of symphonic, thematic, heroic music that all kind of merges into one musical, and hopefully coherent piece”.

“You need a sort of perfect storm of circumstances to allow something radical to work in a film where you’re not just being self-conscious, where you’re not just trying to show off or whatever, and this [Captain America] was it. I can’t say too much because I know Marvel will shoot me, but Captain America: The Winter Soldier is a brilliant film that is part of the Marvel franchise but the directors John and Anthony Russo are geniuses. It’s a Marvel film that’s taking it one step further. They’ve made Captain America much more contemporary. The story is set in 2013, so it’s not a period film and it doesn’t have Indiana Jones style Nazis running around the place, it’s all set in the modern era and it’s a cross between a superhero and a modern political thriller so that’s already awesome”.

“What’s great about that is because it’s a Captain America film you need these traditional, thematic elements which eventually come through in act three of the film, but also the film is super-contemporary. Plus, Winter Soldier is this crazy, dark, RoboCop-type figure who is somewhat human but mechanized, completely messed up. Slightly human but completely tortured and completely manipulated, but crucially mechanized”.

“So I said you know what, I’m gonna do something completely crazy and dark for the Winter Soldier, and I’m just gonna go for it. I hadn’t worked with these directors before, and away from picture I just wrote a suite for the Winter Soldier that was about six or seven minutes long that I spent ages on and treated it like a record. The idea being that if I get this vibe right, if I nail this six or seven minute thing which I think is the essence of the character and it’s super radical and it’s not that traditional and not completely orchestral because I want to save some of that for Captain America, let’s just see what these guys say. I played it for them really loud, and after they were finished there was a bit of a silence, and then Joe [Russo] went “I love it! Awesome!” (laughs) What was really cool about it was that he said that piece was so great and unique and it doesn’t sound exactly like film music, do me a favor and don’t do that thing when once we start working on the movie it gets sanitized or watered down. Whatever it is I just heard, I really want to hear that in the movie and not just 20% of that in the film, and that gave me all the information I needed about how creatively brave these guys were and it works in the film, and I’m really proud of it. And this track that I’m talking about will be on the CD in it’s original form”.

[YoungOnce]

Interview with composer Henry Jackman:

I found that article to be fascinating and can't wait to "hear" the movie now. Music can make or break a movie for me. Try to imagine Star Wars or Superman without John William's great stuff.

[Operation:Mego]

Chris Evans Talks Action in Marvel's Captain America: The Winter Soldier:

According to Evans, the brothers bring with them a unique take on the super hero genre, imbuing their story with elements of a political thriller and a fighting style unlike anything seen in a Marvel movie thus far. In early meetings with the Russos, Evans referenced "Captain America: Super Soldier," the video game inspired by "Captain America: The First Avenger," as a touchstone for what he'd like to see Cap do in the new film.

"I love the way Cap moves [in that game]," exclaims the actor. "He just beats ***. That's how this guy needs to be moving. This isn't just a guy who was given the ability of speed and power. He's been training. He's got the frame of mind to absorb this information, so you can only assume with training and his ability, the guy should really be dangerous. We show that. If Jason Bourne can do it, Cap should be flying through these things. We've had a little bit of fun kind of turning up his power, turning up his speed, and so the fights are a lot more grisly and impactful and, in my opinion, cooler. He's flipping off things and spinning off things and using his environment. It's not just punch, punch, kick, kick. That's fine, but this has to be more than 'The Bourne Supremacy.'"

That also meant the training Evans underwent to prepare for the role became more intensive than in the past, but the actor didn't have very much trouble adapting.

"It was a bit of a challenge but it was fun," Evans admits. "I was excited. They put me in gymnastics classes, [and] we were doing combat stuff every day for a few months. It's a lot fun because when you get the dance down--and [that's what] it is, a dance, it's choreography--when you get the dance down you can start working on the acting. You know what I mean? You can't telegraph a block or a punch, you have to show if you've been hurt. When it's sharp, when it's neat, it just feels so good. It feels like dancing and it just looks so good.

"We have such good stunt coordinators and choreographers. The Russos really have a handle on how they want to shoot this. Sometimes you watch the stunt guys do a little playback in the stunt warehouse and it looks okay. And then the Russos get in there with these great angles and a lot of great camera movement, and some of the films they even referenced in those first meetings of how they wanted to the fight sequences to look were spot on. The footage that I've seen is awesome."

http://marvel.com/news/movies/2014/2/5/21900/chris_evans_talks_action_in_marvels_captain_america_the_winter_soldier