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Smallville digi-comic. No trunks. $#%@ DC
Seriously, couldn't they have left Smallville alone? There's a new continuity in the DC Universe right? so why not let Smallville's Superman look like Superman should? I bought the digital issue for the wife and I gotta tell you this is just wrong. Mattel canceling the toys was a sign DC. I was annoyed before but I am really annoyed with the lot of bung holes even more so now.
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You know how people who liked Smallville got mad when those that didn't bashed it all the time, then there was this rule about not bashing Smallville which I think most people adhered to out of the respect for those that did?
At what point do we make a rule about not bashing DC? There are those of us who like the New 52. I can understand that people don't like what DC's doing. I really do. I even respect it and the choice to not continue buying their comics. Just like I'm sure people respected my right to not like Smallville and my choice to just not watch it.
But then of course if we made a rule about not bashing DC, then this thread would fall in to some kind of space/time ending grey area because it's a thread about Smallville AND hating DC.
So in the end, I have no idea what I'm trying to say here.
For what it's worth, I'm sorry the comic didn't live up to what you were hoping it to be. -
It's not that I had particular expectations however I assumed that (I know my bad) that they would leave the look alone, sine the TV show had no place in the comic universe. I'm not hating on DC so much as I'm simply really not happy with what they are doing and in so they are taking away from what I would have gladly purchased.
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At least there is some yellow in the belt. It looks pretty good. I don't care for the Jim Lee design myself. Too much blue and red. Had they left the belt yellow, he'd look more balanced. This is nice.Comment
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And we shall agree to disagree
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Commando and size six Barbie boots - sweet!Comment
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I sometimes feel like such an outsider here when it comes to how I see comics. I read a lot of "new stuff is crap" and I can't bring myself to always agree with that.
I occasionally agree.
When it comes to comics, I'm clearly not on the same page as everyone else. I'm not saying that's good or bad. Just different. Maybe I'm somehow influenced by the fact that I like to draw them. I really don't know.
We don't agree on the direction comics are taking and that's cool. I'm glad it can be civil with perhaps some revealing discussion on the matter.
I can agree that the new Superman suit is mostly garbage. Not as bad as Electric Superman, but not as good as 1986 Man of Steel.
I don't understand the Commando and Barbie Boots thing. Not even a little. Is it a comment on the costume or is there something more there I'm missing?Comment
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I guess people who like the new 52 should avoid threads like these. Based on the title it's obvious there will be no love for the new costume here. Like the Smallville fans here did in the past, you will probably have to start your own Pro-52 threads, put a disclaimer at the start of the thread letting everyone know no opposing viewpoints will be tolerated in the thread and ask for the Mods help in keeping nay-sayers out. I think there's room for everyone here at the Mego Museum.
Smallville, like the new 52, like DC comics on the whole, is overturning 70-80 years of continuity. A lot of people are not convinced it's even necessary. It's a betrayal of loyal readership of epic proportions. That is an uphill battle like climbing Mt. Everest.
Not to mention it also seems like a thinly veiled plot to make a buck off readers. Everyone knows #1 issues always sell more. If the new 52 fails they can come out with all new #1 issues for everything with yet another continuity, all over again. There's nothing to say the new 52 won't be flushed down the toilet like New Coke in the 1980's. Just my 2¢.Last edited by johnmiic; Apr 13, '12, 9:55 PM.Comment
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Message understood. I'll bow out. And you're right, I should avoid said threads. I wasn't trying to cause trouble. I wont likely start any pro 52 thread. I just see so much negative all the time.Comment
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Sorry, I guess the first 1/2 of my post reads a little harsh. It was supposed to be a little sarcastic-not completely toxic. In truth people who like Smallville did start their own pro-Smallville threads here and stated up-front nay-sayers; stay out. The naysayers had their own threads.
I think on the whole they were left to their own devices. Don't take my criticisms as a smackdown. Start a thread like they did. Say what you feel. Exchange opinions with others on what you think the positive side of New 52 is.Last edited by johnmiic; Apr 13, '12, 10:11 PM.Comment
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Adding to what John is saying I think its great that there is someone such as yourself boywonder that is on board with the new stuff. Your arguments could actually encourage folks to be more open to the change. I think the negativity you see is mainly because Superman and all of the DC characters are so iconic and so ingrained i our collective pasts such drastic changes are hard to swallow. Mind you I can't speak for everyone here or anywhere for that matter, but I think the main barometer I'm ruled by is nostalgia and oh what a stubborn, idealistic ruler she is1.
Keep your thoughts coming pal, your a good guy!Comment
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>I read a lot of "new stuff is crap" and I can't bring myself to always agree with that.
UNMUTUAL! UNMUTUAL!!!
Actually; that's totally cool. I think a lot of the "new bad!" response is overstated too. (It's GOT to be the dopamine!)
>I'm not saying that's good or bad. Just different.
I think that's the big sticking point for a lot of oldster fans. They look for something exactly as the stuff they're used to; but that still has the same kick as it did way back when. Which it can't, 'cos you need some sort of novelty for a story/series/character to generate real excitement.
>Not as bad as Electric Superman, but not as good as 1986 Man of Steel.
Yeah.... Whenever I see a redo of a character my meter stick for how bad/good it is focusses on wether or not I immediately recognize the character. If I have to guess who it is, I'm probably not impressed. That perspective probably comes from my comic reading as a kid; I noticed really early on that a new artist meant a different design, and insane scedules, apathy and all sorts of other factors meant a character could even go off model during a story. But you roll with it. I think the biggest thing nowadays that flummoxes oldster fans is that these changes.... which would have happened during the old days "under the radar" as it were.... are now touted, hyped, scrutinized, and edited way before the comic actually happens. You're crushed by a wave of "and it's SOOOOO AWESOME!!!!" from the company months before the book comes out; and in that time you're deluged with the raging "it sucks and they're RAPING MY CHILDHOOD!!!!" nerd-storm.
It astounds me nowadays how I can be totally sick of something I haven't seen yet.
>I don't understand the Commando and Barbie Boots thing. Not even a little.
It's a Superman version of the "Battle suit" costume that's become popular the last decade or so. (Thank you again, Matrix.)
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As a Marvel guy I'm gonna chime in here with an observation. I find it very interesting that a minor costume change (and I really do think "no trunks" is pretty minor in the grand scheme of things) is causing such an uproar.
When Spider-Man went from red & blue to black in 1984, I remember people including myself, being shocked but yet immediately embracing the change. It was SO different, but it didn't matter. Spider-Man was still Peter Parker, and he looked pretty darn cool in black.
I still love the black costume. The strength of Spider-Man's character is so great he can endure changes like that. This has always been my problem with DC. With a few exceptions, their characters always felt empty to me. I just never connected with any of them. They're all about the powers and the costumes. Take those away and it seems like there's nothing left.Comment
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>This has always been my problem with DC. With a few exceptions, their characters always felt empty to me.
I think part of the problem is that the DC characters are older.... a LOT older, and were written during the golden age, when a hero was pretty much just their costume. Even though a lot of them have been fully fleshed out over the years (sometimes a few different times!) there's still an Antedeluvian core that makes them myth more than "man." The costumes are extremely tied up in this, so any change feels more fundamental than it is.
Marvel always portrayed their characters as people who happen to have powers. Since people change outfits, nobody worreis when a Marvel character does. But the DC cast are mythical, above the mortal, and in some ways carved in stone.
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