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  • kingdom warrior
    OH JES!!
    • Jul 21, 2005
    • 12478

    #16
    Originally posted by emeraldknight47

    I agree that he NEEDS the red trunks to break up the monotony of all the blue. I think that's probably why he had them in the first place waaaaay back when he made his first appearance. Siegel and Schuster likely played with an all blue suit, but probably found it a bit too monotone, so they added the red trunks to break it up.
    Actually, No. you have to understand what Siegal and Shuster were influenced by back when they were boys. back in those days circus strongmen were very popular. If you ever looked at pics from the time, many of them wore tights and trunks. Superman is in his purest form is a circus strongman with a cape added which many of them wore.

    I don't think two kids from the 30's were thinking let's put red trunks to break up the blue.....

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    • Hector
      el Hombre de Acero
      • May 19, 2003
      • 31852

      #17
      Originally posted by MIB41
      Like anything it will come down to story and direction. Superman Returns is NOT what you want this film to look or feel like. The director (Brian Singer) had Routh posing too much. And because his colors were "off", it dulled down the charisma of the hero for me. But more importantly the story was just a train wreck of bad ideas. Singer made the colossal mistake in trying to connect this as a sequel to Superman II. Yet he failed to follow any of the character or story developments critical from that film. Then he had Routh giving a karaoke performance of Christopher Reeves, Spacey giving a less convincing performance for Lex, but then a totally new interpretation of Lois. And even worse, he followed the same tired story of Lex and real estate. It was a complete mess. The audience was as confused as Singer was. And then to add a kid to that slop? The death knell. For any good ideas introduced in that film, they were quickly buried under an uneven script and a overly conceptualized hero and his past. Does it look like the Man of Steel is taking notes from this debacle? So far I would have to say no. Singer tweaked the costume and audiences revolted. This here is a full on overhaul. I don't see audiences embracing more change. And if anything, this might remind them more of their bad experience with 'Returns'.

      I think missing the red shorts and having his "package" more so on display will have the crowd snickering. Audiences have an expectation of what Superman should look like, because he's more of an old school hero. At the height of his popularity in film, Superman wore the traditional threads. Cinematic audiences are fickle. Once you establish a look, that is the expectation. That's why Batman remains encased in rubber. His popularity was built on that premise, and studios have no interest in toying with that image. Now we've got Superman converting over which runs the risk of looking too trendy and unoriginal. After all of the hero films that have been out there, I think general audiences are ready for their old school hero. I don't think this Superman fits that image. Right now he looks more like a member of the Avengers or X-Men. So at this stage, the story is going to have to really rock. If they can do that, this deviation may be forgiven. But if the story doesn't catch on, then audiences will be carving their knives to butcher another failed entry. Why am I so pessimistic? Because Superman has a blueprint for success and it's not being followed. Audiences were charmed by Reeves because he looked and acted just like Superman in the comics. His outfit was bright and colorful and his hair was perfectly shaped. All we need today is that same image with a new classic story. I don't see any of that here. Studios don't get it.
      What a great and thoughtful post...maybe not agree with everything you said...but you make solid points...

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      • Hector
        el Hombre de Acero
        • May 19, 2003
        • 31852

        #18
        I couldn't quite match the reds/yellows...but you get the idea...




        Thoughts?


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        • emeraldknight47
          Talkative Member
          • Jun 20, 2011
          • 5212

          #19
          Originally posted by kingdom warrior
          Actually, No. you have to understand what Siegal and Shuster were influenced by back when they were boys. back in those days circus strongmen were very popular. If you ever looked at pics from the time, many of them wore tights and trunks. Superman is in his purest form is a circus strongman with a cape added which many of them wore.

          I don't think two kids from the 30's were thinking let's put red trunks to break up the blue.....
          Just a thought, dude. Just a thought....
          sigpic Oh then, what's this? Big flashy lighty thing, that's what brought me here! Big flashy lighty things have got me written all over them. Not actually. But give me time. And a crayon.

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          • kingdom warrior
            OH JES!!
            • Jul 21, 2005
            • 12478

            #20
            Sucks........... take the trunks off looks horrible with that costume.....looks like man panties......

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            • emeraldknight47
              Talkative Member
              • Jun 20, 2011
              • 5212

              #21
              Originally posted by Hector
              I couldn't quite match the reds/yellows...but you get the idea...




              Thoughts?


              Perhaps it's because I'm an old-school Superman buff, or maybe it's just because the image of Christopher Reeve in the "real" suit is so ingrained in my brain matter, but I like the trunks and yellow belt better, even WITH this suit. After all, if it were of the same material and muted color tones, I think it would have matched up nicely....
              sigpic Oh then, what's this? Big flashy lighty thing, that's what brought me here! Big flashy lighty things have got me written all over them. Not actually. But give me time. And a crayon.

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              • Random Axe
                The Voice of Reason
                • Apr 16, 2008
                • 4518

                #22
                I'm a traditionalist when it comes to Supes. There are ideals, icons and symbols you just don't change for the sake of change. From a strictly design standpoint, the red trunks do break up the blue and tie the other red elements of the suit together. I understand the desire for modernizing and for progression. I get it. However, the progressions and updates should be concentrated on a GOOD SCRIPT! Every second and brain cell spent trying to re-design perfection could have been spent making a movie that shows both the human ideals Superman stands for and a believable conflict that endangers those ideals and concepts.

                I still have high hopes for this and will not let a trunkless Superman deter my viewing experience. I cannot, though, pretend it isn't a little bit of a distraction.
                I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she dumped me before we met.

                If anyone here believes in psychokinesis, please raise my hand.

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                • johnmiic
                  Adrift
                  • Sep 6, 2002
                  • 8427

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Hector
                  I couldn't quite match the reds/yellows...but you get the idea...




                  Thoughts?


                  It looks a little better Hec.

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                  • The Nawd
                    Nawd your head for yes.
                    • Feb 15, 2011
                    • 339

                    #24
                    The only thing I really like about this suit is the Golden Age feel to the S on his chest. They still have time to add trunks and a belt to the suit and do some reshoots later. But you just know they won't.

                    Hector. Your update to this suit makes it look a bit better to me.

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                    • MIB41
                      Eloquent Member
                      • Sep 25, 2005
                      • 15633

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Hector
                      I couldn't quite match the reds/yellows...but you get the idea...




                      Thoughts?


                      Cool! Looks so much better! Nicely done Hector! Now if you could ramp up the colors, he would approach that classic look.
                      Last edited by MIB41; Jan 19, '12, 11:11 AM.

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                      • MIB41
                        Eloquent Member
                        • Sep 25, 2005
                        • 15633

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Hector
                        What a great and thoughtful post...maybe not agree with everything you said...but you make solid points...

                        Thanks Hec! Great drinkers think alike.

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                        • kingdom warrior
                          OH JES!!
                          • Jul 21, 2005
                          • 12478

                          #27
                          I like that the suit looks like something that came from Krypton.he looks like a Kryptonian Centurion or something from his Krypton heritage..... never cared much for the Ma kent taking the baby blankets to make a suit out of it bit.......never knew you could get so much fabric to make an outfit for a man with little baby swaddling blankets.....lol

                          I was checking the suit out on other sites and his belt is GOLD they may punch it up in post production and just might color correct the costume......

                          As you all know Chris Reeves wore a turqoise costume when standing or flying in front of a screen so the costume wouldn't blend with the background....it was then color corrected in post production......since I'm sure most of the effects will be added in post production.....and maybe the costume will be digitally color corrected.....


                          I also believe they may want to move as far away from the Chris Reeve Superman version as much as they can. I already seen that i want something new something fresh.........

                          I want Cavill's Superman to beat the **** out of something.....that's what I want.....not can you read my mind all over again......

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                          • Earth 2 Chris
                            Verbose Member
                            • Mar 7, 2004
                            • 32932

                            #28
                            You can get a pretty good idea of the colors from this pic, because the kid is wearing true blue and reds. So it looks like his red and blues are again dingy, but not as maroon as Returns.



                            Story here:

                            Superman Homepage - News: January 23, 2012: Young Actors in Key Roles for

                            Chris
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                            • MIB41
                              Eloquent Member
                              • Sep 25, 2005
                              • 15633

                              #29
                              At this point, I just need a trailer to see what they have. Photos only do so much. A trailer will answer a number of the cosmetic questions here.

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                              • Earth 2 Chris
                                Verbose Member
                                • Mar 7, 2004
                                • 32932

                                #30
                                You can really see the honey comb texture there too. I don't hate it, but what is up with that honeycomb texture!?! Ever since Tobey put on the webs, it's been "HONEY COMBS! HONEY COMBS! ME WANT HONEY COMBS!!!"

                                Chris
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