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I get your earlier posts Samurai, but these last ones...please. Now you're going to the "you're tool old to understand" card or taking personal experiences and stating that people here cannot relate because of something a person is not. But you do not know what anyone here has personally experienced.
Like Werewolf, I've read the pushback from a number of comic sites and it's ad hominem city. If you don't accept diversity just for the sake of it, you're a bigot or racist. And the defense is all emo nonsense. At least Samurai makes a solid argument about how Parker is not going anywhere and this is a small divergence.Comment
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No, it's really you excluding yourself from the conversation.
There is no way that you can't say this isn't a back and forth process. Or that I'm not interactively responding to others here.
But if you do feel this way, inviting you back into the conversation...
You say you've enjoyed the hundred plus issue run of Ultimate Spiderman. You say you've enjoyed the final Death of Spiderman storyline... Why do you automatically believe that you won't enjoy This new title... Particularly sight unseen? It's the same writer you've enjoyed for 100+ issues.Comment
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The ad hominem push back by your own words is "soft bigotry"... Replacing a white character with a black/Hispanic one. Which is what I honestly cannot understand when you look at the rack this month... Twenty Peter Parker comics to one. What is the emotional response given the out of proportion outrage over the "change"... Which is not really much of a change at all to the overall status quo? I think most of you all know that I di try to keep within reason and logic for the most part for conversations like this, but I apologize if in my own personal experience this is potentially a positive thing... Perhaps an exercise in relatate-ability to see that from my perspective?
Whom does it really hurt to try out this publishing experiment? Most of you think it will simply go away anyways. At the end of the day I see no harm or foul in attempting something like this. If it doesn't work... It becomes a footnote.Last edited by samurainoir; Aug 3, '11, 9:13 PM.Comment
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>That costume is uniquely HIM. And his reasons for fighting crime are even MORE uniquely HIM.
Hmmmm.... again I gotta KINDA disagree. The examples you cite all had basis within their stories, but I don’t see that this one doesn’t. Sure, Peter’s quest was his own, but his feelings and perspective weren’t. ANYBODY could feel the need to be a hero, anybody could step up.... that was kinda the point with the original Spidey way back when. I don’t think it’s going too far afield to have someone else experience a similar epiphany. Especially when there’s already so much precedence within the Marvel universe for folks being inspired by Spider Man.
>Cynical opportunism dressed in social advocacy.
Y’know.... you do have some good points, but again; this isn’t new. Think of the uber-whiney 80's X-Men, and how heavy handed they played social issues. (Or the 80's Titans, or “The Dark Knight Returns,” or the Punisher, or.... well.... durned near ANY 80's superhero....) Like I said earlier, what I can’t quite grasp is why it’s a problem for people NOW.
>they started new stuff with Booster Gold in the 80s, Firestorm and Luke Cage in the 70s, even new stuff in the 90s and 00s.
Well.... in some ways I think you kinda demonstrated my point. Notice how you didn’t cite any examples for the 90's and up. I think the problem is age though, not the books. At a certain point you don’t WANT something new.... you’re to acclimatized to the old. You want the nostalgic comfort of the good ol’ days.... hence why the “back in MY day, they’d NEVER do that!” prevalence.
Truth be told, there is a LOT of new stuff out there, just not so much from the Big Two and a Half. It doesn’t get as lot of play in the usual channels though.
>Retooling/reimaging old heroes is simple laziness.
Well.... more fear, actually. A new character is a risk, an old one not so much.
>I thought it was just you on a rant
Hey! I’M here too....
Don C.Comment
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As a product of the 60's, I certainly didn't need to be white, disparented, heterosexual and middle class to identify with Peter. I identified with his basic humanity and his internal struggle to do the right thing even when faced with tremendous unrelenting adversity. Peter Parker's featured humanity transcends sex, race, and social/economic status.
I, for one, have grown weary of individuals and groups placing their race, sex, sexual orientation, economic status & social standing ahead of their basic humanity. It serves absolutely no purpose, other than to say "Look At Me, I'm Different, I'm Special, I Have Special Needs, Pay Special Attention To Me". More often than not, it leads to the exact opposite of the intended reaction because it basically states, "I'm different (better) than you and you have to treat me special!"
Course' that's just one Moron's perspective
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It's always struck me that people that do that are shortchanging themselves, saying "This one thing is what I am." Because if that's so, it's sad. We're multifaceted creatures. That's what I was saying about the writers not getting it--they're enamoured with the external, and if they approached their subjects as if they were real people, they could not only be surprised by what the character could reveal, they could surprise us. Which is quite a feat.Comment
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The flesh is nothing more than incidental. If it were important, it wouldn't be left behind to rot. We are what we choose to be, the sum of our actions...period. Sad, but likely, if we were all the exact same shade of color, without variation, save different colored eyes, it would undoubtedly be blue eyes vs. green vs. brown...etc.Comment
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Would Peter Parker himself really begrudge Miles Morales one measly comic book title to his twenty?
Let's take a lesson from Peter Parker. We all know he's a very generous person.Comment
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Breaking News....Mickey Mouse was murdered by Itchy Mouse in a dress rehearsal that suddenly turned fatally violent.
Follow Up To Last Week's Breaking News...Jerry Mouse has decided to sport the outfit previously worn by Mickey Mouse and has pronounced his intent to assume Mickey's identity in an attempt to covet the role previously held by the murdered Disney Cast Leader. While many of the Disney Cast & Crew Members are appalled by this brazen move, Minnie Mouse has stated that she's just happy to know that mice from the studio on the other side of the tracks have someone they can relate to. She went on to say that it doesn't matter who wears the outfit, because the image itself is really all that is important. Minnie has pooh-poohed criticisms that her position greatly diminishes the very essence and life's purpose of her former mate.
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Well, my main point from the start that I keep restating is about the disproportional outrage around one comic out of twenty. If you'd like to disagree, I'd like to hear why one comic on the stands bothers you so much when Peter Parker has twenty. How is that any kind of special treatment at all?
There's been a great deal of lip service to the universal themes and values that Peter upholds. So let's start seeing some of that applied here.
If you believe that skin color and cultural background is such a minor significance within the grander scheme of humanity and the ability to relate to Spider-man, then let's flip this. Why then are there so many people against this seemingly superficial change? What's the big deal?
If Spiderman embodies such a universal condition, then surely it doesn't matter who is under the mask as long as they continue to uphold the values of With Great Power comes Great Responsibility?
But how does that apply to Miles Morales? Why treat him differently than Peter Parker? Why not just accept him as Spider-man as well? Why reject him based on his ethnicity?"I'm different (better) than you and have to treat me special!"
Why don't people have a problem with Miguel O'Hara, who is also quietly been a hispanic Spider-man in an alt Universe for twenty years now? What's the difference between Miles Morales and Miguel O'Hara? Peter Parker died in their alt universes and they both have taken over the mantle to try and honor and respect their hero Peter Parker and carry on his good work and deeds. Ditto Spider-girl. This is no different so why are folks suddenly treating it like it is different? The media spotlight? It's most definitely NOT a trademark issue.
Look! Here's Peter hanging out with all his other alt universe Spider-Friends. He's got no problems with it...
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