Oh yeah, by the way, they just killed Captain America AGAIN

[Earth 2 Chris]

^That's why I spend my money elsewhere nowadays. I can save my cash, and still gripe at the comic news I read on the web.

Chris

[samurainoir]

But it makes me wonder what the appeal is for so many older fans, who seem to get nothing from it other than an excuse to lament the “good ol’ days!”

Well for me, the superhero stuff is basically the equivalent to Mac and Cheese. Comfort food. You pretty much know what you are going to get. I think that's why folks do get upset when at first Bucky Cap doesn't seem like what they are familiar with at first, but once they get a taste, it's pretty much the same Mac and Cheese, but the noodles just happen to be shaped like Pac Man or Pokeman or whatever some such.

But this is pretty much what the board is all about for the most part, nostalgia. Otherwise, I'd just as happy be chatting about Chester Brown's autobiographical graphic novel, Paying for It which really challenges traditional notions of prostitution, or the wonderful Xeric Award winning graphic novel The Lotus Children, which takes a more personalized look at human trafficking.

[ctc]

>Well for me, the superhero stuff is basically the equivalent to Mac and Cheese. Comfort food. You pretty much know what you are going to get. I think that's why folks do get upset when at first Bucky Cap doesn't seem like what they are familiar with at first, but once they get a taste, it's pretty much the same Mac and Cheese, but the noodles just happen to be shaped like Pac Man or Pokeman or whatever some such.

Hmmmm.... I think that’s about the most apt summation I’ve seen. It still seems sad to me though; in the “she lives alone with fifteen cats and eats Hagen-Daas while watching reruns of “Sex in the City” kind of way. Like I’ve said before, if “Weird Mutant Super-Thrills” still entertains you, then cool; read on! But there seem to be SO MANY people plodding along with things they obviously don’t like; hoping in vain that the thrill will return (which it won’t ‘cos you’re not 14 any more) and shaking their fist at the system. (Which is useless.)

It seems ESPECIALLY sad ‘cos there’s so much OTHER STUFF available that it shouldn’t be hard to find something to like. For over 10 years I was probably the second biggest Judge Dredd fan ever. Eventually I stopped reading it though. “Yup, Death’s back. Yup Mean Machine back from the dead again. Okay, Megacity 1 is now R. Talsorian’s Night City....” It wasn’t a big deal for me; the paradigm had shifted and no longer met with my tastes. No biggie. I didn’t feel everybody still reading it was stupid. I didn’t lament that they’d raped my childhood. Not reading the new ones did NOTHING to diminish the joy I felt over reading the old ones. There were plenty of other things to read. (Which for me included the Post Bros and Appleseed; as well as the X-Men and JLA.)

>Otherwise, I'd just as happy be chatting about Chester Brown's autobiographical graphic novel, Paying for It which really challenges traditional notions of prostitution, or the wonderful Xeric Award winning graphic novel The Lotus Children, which takes a more personalized look at human trafficking.

You’re a weird dude sometimes.... but yeah; it doesn’t hurt to go afield once in a while. Different can be good.

Your favourite comic wasn’t your favourite BEFORE you read it.

Don C.

[samurainoir]

It still seems sad to me though; in the “she lives alone with fifteen cats and eats Hagen-Daas while watching reruns of “Sex in the City” kind of way. Like I’ve said before, if “Weird Mutant Super-Thrills” still entertains you, then cool; read on!

hey, replace the cats and ice cream with "large squares of plywood, and mego dolls dressed like orcs", and sex in the city with "so he can play an even larger game of dungeons and dragons than normal" and you've pretty much got my dictionary definition of sad.

But the world is all 'bout different strokes, for different folks and if someone did say, believe an ideal spouse was a furry type with a cat's head or a fox's tail, I'd say play on playah!

>Otherwise, I'd just as happy be chatting about Chester Brown's autobiographical graphic novel, Paying for It which really challenges traditional notions of prostitution, or the wonderful Xeric Award winning graphic novel The Lotus Children, which takes a more personalized look at human trafficking.

You’re a weird dude sometimes.... but yeah; it doesn’t hurt to go afield once in a while. Different can be good.

But this is my point entirely... only on THIS board would someone reading those particular graphic novels be oddly considered out in left field. When in fact, they are two of the most critically acclaimed comics to be published in our country in the past year, garnering a great deal of mainstream press and shelf space on the shelves of mainstream booksellers. They have a degree of realism and relevance that John Q Public could actually discuss as current events impacting the world around them (I can't tell you how many times Chester Brown has come up around conversations concerning our recent election for example... so that even if they haven't read the graphic novel, they know who he is).





And I've also been peppering some posts with shoutouts to Essex County since Jeff Lemire has made the jump to mainstream comics for DC, but to no avail I suspect. Maybe when the movie comes out?

[GaryPlaysWithDolls]

In comics, in the short term, you can do anything...ANYTHING if you can tell a good story. I think that is why Bucky/Cap worked. It was a good story, but long term Status quo rules. Editors probably saw the Cap movie preview got the Stever Rogers hard-on and threw out the good story with a crap one. Oh, well. I started reading Cap again with the Winter Soldier stuff and Batman again with the Dickbat, uh, there's gotta be a better name for it then that. Now? I read Astro City. Oh, and the twelve hasn't even come back yet. Ungh. Waiting for Marvel's Mystery Men.

[samurainoir]

THESE are the Mystery Men as far as I'm concerned!

[ctc]

>hey, replace the cats and ice cream with "large squares of plywood, and mego dolls dressed like orcs", and sex in the city with "so he can play an even larger game of dungeons and dragons than normal" and you've pretty much got my dictionary definition of sad.

*grrrrr!* Youse kids an' yer observations! *shakes fist angrily*

>But the world is all 'bout different strokes, for different folks

That's my take too. The sad part for me isn't what people like.... it's that they seem to persist in things they apparently DON'T like out of some weird psychological inertia.

>only on THIS board would someone reading those particular graphic novels be oddly considered out in left field. When in fact, they are two of the most critically acclaimed comics to be published in our country in the past year

True, but it still seems kinda.... sad is the only term I can think of.... to me; that folks who are fans of comics, a medium PREDECATED on imagination are bound by such narrow parameters. Especially when said parameters are holding them back from getting any real kick from their passtimes.

>They have a degree of realism and relevance that John Q Public could actually discuss as current events impacting the world around them

That's the sad part from the other direction.... that to so many non-comic fans "comic" equals "Batman;" which holds THEM back from partaking of something they might like, and holds back comics in general by denying the medium new fans, which would help not only sales but would bring in new perspectives.

>THESE are the Mystery Men as far as I'm concerned!

HAW! "Your penmanship is attrocious!" Semi-related: ever see "The Specials?"

Don C.