The Greatest write up ever done on Superman vs Captain Marvel is out!!!

[Hector]

It's funny how all the Captain Marvel fans feel the need to compete and try to thrash Supes...while it's never the case the other way around...simply because number one doesn't need too.

Just like commercials...it's always the number two company comparing and claiming their product superior to the number one company...it never fails...lol.

Case in point...

Pepsi...perpetually number two (actually number three now behind Diet Coke)...but always babbling about Coke this...and Coke that...lol.

Same scenario with Burger King...McDonald's this, McDonald's that.

But you NEVER hear Coke and McDonald's mention either Pepsi or Burger King...no need too...leaders don't have have to prove anything...they are already number one...lol.

And go down the list...same thing over and over again...Crest vs Colgate...Walmart vs Target...KFC vs Popeye's...Budweiser vs Coors...Pizza Hut vs Domino's...Ali vs Frazier...Lakers vs Clippers...Marilyn Monroe vs Paris Hilton ( )...and on, and on, and on...

Same applies to Supes and Captain Marvel...Superman will ALWAYS be number one...Captain Marvel number two...that's how the planets aligned.

I'm not hating on Captain Marvel...I'm just defending Supes' honor...

[Hector]

I do give you credit for the blog though...an impressive and noble venture...albeit a tad biased towards Supes (many of those draws were actually Superman wins).

[thunderbolt]

Popeye's is better than KFC.

[Mego Superboy Prime]

Umm let's see you wrote all that and kept calling many matches draws? funny coming from a Cap fan.

Let's see Superman 73 years of history. 2 movie serials, a Fleisher Cartoon series, a Radio show, One legendary TV show, A Broadway show, numerous Saturday Morning shows, 4 movies Starring the legendary Chris reeve, a Superboy Tv series, 2 other TV shows dealing with Clark kent. Endless video games toys and merchandising.........and one new movie released and one in the works.......

That sir is called being owned......as a matter of fact if there was never a Superman there would have never been a Cap......There is no comparison to Superman and Cap and I like Cap but he's no Superman

Oh, that way. Well then yes he is owned.

[Mego Superboy Prime]

I do give you credit for the blog though...an impressive and noble venture...albeit a tad biased towards Supes (many of those draws were actually Superman wins).

Don't agree at all but you have your opinions and I have mine. And I'm probably more of a Superman fan than CM through the years, it's just that I've gotten really into the history of this rivalry and I find it fascinating. You can argue over this and that in all the fights but Marvel has the only real win. No tricks, no power ups, just power on power so that gives CM the edge. But you knew that already didn't you Hector?

[kingdom warrior]

See the the thing with Cap is you get a lot of Fan boys becoming writers taking over the character and writing what they remember the character MEANT to them as a kid.....coughRoyThomascough....

Alex Ross was a fan of the SHAZAM! tv show so he draws inspiration from the C.C Beck cap and the one portrayed by Jackson Bostwick. it's ok if you do paintings and Illustrations that have Cap knocking the Tar out of Supes because there's that history between Fawcett and National.

But when the writer then starts to incorporate it into the DC canon and try to make it legit and say Cap can whip Superman then I have to firmly disagree.

Superman is far and away the most powerful hero in the DC universe. It just seems that some writers just don't know what to do with him and there's always this need to dumb him down.....just so it's a fair fight...which is silly to me.

In reality, let's say like in a boxing match you don't tie the bigger opponents hand behind his back to make it a fair fight. You pay to see two greats go toe to toe......(Frazier vs Ali comes to mind) blow for blow best man left standing.

You don't Take Babe Ruth,Michael Jordan, Lawrence Taylor,Gordie Howe, out of the line up just to give the other team a chance you want to live or die defeating or losing to the best...that's what competition is......

That's how it should be.....but often times than not writers don't
that's why Superman has been unpopular at times.......

this episode from JLU showed a perfect example of how powerful and exciting Superman actually is......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwU0QkcrNVQ

[Mego Superboy Prime]

See the the thing with Cap is you get a lot of Fan boys becoming writers taking over the character and writing what they remember the character MEANT to them as a kid.....coughRoyThomascough....

Alex Ross was a fan of the SHAZAM! tv show so he draws inspiration from the C.C Beck cap and the one portrayed by Jackson Bostwick. it's ok if you do paintings and Illustrations that have Cap knocking the Tar out of Supes because there's that history between Fawcett and National.

But when the writer then starts to incorporate it into the DC canon and try to make it legit and say Cap can whip Superman then I have to firmly disagree.

Superman is far and away the most powerful hero in the DC universe. It just seems that some writers just don't know what to do with him and there's always this need to dumb him down.....just so it's a fair fight...which is silly to me.

In reality, let's say like in a boxing match you don't tie the bigger opponents hand behind his back to make it a fair fight. You pay to see two greats go toe to toe......(Frazier vs Ali comes to mind) blow for blow best man left standing.

You don't Take Babe Ruth,Michael Jordan, Lawrence Taylor,Gordie Howe, out of the line up just to give the other team a chance you want to live or die defeating or losing to the best...that's what competition is......

That's how it should be.....but often times than not writers don't
that's why Superman has been unpopular at times.......

this episode from JLU showed a perfect example of how powerful and exciting Superman actually is......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwU0QkcrNVQ

This is all just your opinion.

You contradict yourself in this entire post because creators are fans of the characters, that's just the way it is. I'm sure you would do the same if you were working on these projects.

[cdhall]

This got long...

Superman is far and away the most powerful hero in the DC universe. It just seems that some writers just don't know what to do with him and there's always this need to dumb him down.....just so it's a fair fight...which is silly to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwU0QkcrNVQ

I remember reading a Superman comic where Superman had trouble moving something for some reason and then an issue later or maybe an issue before, he moved a Planet...

So I had to quit reading because I realized they just couldn't write more than a few interesting stories about him with his powers.

So in that clip, he should have knocked Darkseid into space (but he stopped him I guess) but I was waiting to see the crater lead to a hole that took Darkseid to the Earth's core or something.

I once had to go back and look at where and how Supes got his powers and what they "really are." That wasn't easy. I read an article somewhere that in the beginning he was strong, impenetrable and could leap high and run very fast.

How that turned into flying at light speed, heat vision, etc is a little beyond me.

And if he gets his power mostly from our planet's gravity and yellow star, then how can he fly at light speed etc at X distance from our sun or another yellow sun?

And in the cartoons, where they travel space... how does he maintain his powers evenly as he travels away from our sun to other worlds and does he only visit Earth-gravity worlds...?

On an unrelated note, someone PM me if there is a thread on the damage heroes do when they "save" stuff... I read one once, it was interesting.

I always loved Superman as a kid. I Thought Shazam was cool too. I don't think I'll have time to read The Greatest Write Up but I did read 1/3 and skimmed through the rest. Sorry to make a long rambling post but I think that without the use of Magic Shazam doesn't stand a chance against Superman because of Supe's endless, inexplicable power.

What would be cool I think is if Magic were used to define Supe's powers now (if it hasn't been done already) and explain how they are now unrelated to Earth and the Yellow Sun and that they are just unending... is there an official list/definition of Supes powers somewhere?

I recall when Who's Who came out, I loved collecting those, but I don't know what came of the Marvel and DC versions of them.

I'll stop here. This is my bi-annual rant perhaps.

Thanks for keeping the boards alive. God bless you all.

[Mego Superboy Prime]

I remember reading a Superman comic where Superman had trouble moving something for some reason and then an issue later or maybe an issue before, he moved a Planet...

So I had to quit reading because I realized they just couldn't write more than a few interesting stories about him with his powers.

So in that clip, he should have knocked Darkseid into space (but he stopped him I guess) but I was waiting to see the crater lead to a hole that took Darkseid to the Earth's core or something.

I once had to go back and look at where and how Supes got his powers and what they "really are." That wasn't easy. I read an article somewhere that in the beginning he was strong, impenetrable and could leap high and run very fast.

How that turned into flying at light speed, heat vision, etc is a little beyond me.

And if he gets his power mostly from our planet's gravity and yellow star, then how can he fly at light speed etc at X distance from our sun or another yellow sun?

And in the cartoons, where they travel space... how does he maintain his powers evenly as he travels away from our sun to other worlds and does he only visit Earth-gravity worlds...?

On an unrelated note, someone PM me if there is a thread on the damage heroes do when they "save" stuff... I read one once, it was interesting.

I always loved Superman as a kid. I Thought Shazam was cool too. I don't think I'll have time to read The Greatest Write Up but I did read 1/3 and skimmed through the rest. Sorry to make a long rambling post but I think that without the use of Magic Shazam doesn't stand a chance against Superman because of Supe's endless, inexplicable power.

What would be cool I think is if Magic were used to define Supe's powers now (if it hasn't been done already) and explain how they are now unrelated to Earth and the Yellow Sun and that they are just unending... is there an official list/definition of Supes powers somewhere?

I recall when Who's Who came out, I loved collecting those, but I don't know what came of the Marvel and DC versions of them.

I'll stop here. This is my bi-annual rant perhaps.

Thanks for keeping the boards alive. God bless you all.

Nice post. Read the rest, I'm sure you'll like it. As for CM's magic,that's his power. Supes is the sun. Without magic CM would be toast. Without the sun, Supes would be toast. It just works both ways.

[cdhall]

Thanks

Thanks for the compliment. I understand Magic vs the Sun. I went and found some articles on Supes powers. He has his own Wiki apparently. I was wondering if DC's Who's Who or the Marvel Equivalent were online. I thought they were once. I don't see them online now but keeping up with comics is worse than following a Daytime Soap as far as I can tell.

I don't miss that. I was up to date once with a small group of titles around Avengers 183 but it could not keep up long with all the tie-ins etc. Even if the books were free it would still be too hard for me to follow, etc.

But they are fun to think about and remember. Thanks again. Happy Memorial Day.

[kingdom warrior]

You contradict yourself in this entire post because creators are fans of the characters, that's just the way it is. I'm sure you would do the same if you were working on these projects.

Creators are creators.they are all not fans. sometimes it's best for a writer NOT to take on a project that he is too close to especially if he doesn't familiarize with the material he is working from.

The reason John Bryne did so well with the Fantastic four when he had his run because John took his time to go through the history of those characters. he spent hours upon hours going through the history learning it inside out. So he could build on it.

That's why he had such a great run with it he built his run completely on the foundation of what was already written.

So many times writers take on characters and have not a clue how to make a character work or what makes the character fun. Hawkman,Aquaman are proof of writers inability to just take the time and do the research it takes to make sense of what has come before them.

Captain Marvel suffers from this because he is really a hero out of his time and place. Cap belongs in his own universe far away from the normal DC universe. He's from an innocent time. His stories were crafted for kids with a tone of humor where the bad guys were a little off the wall.

Cap is childhood wish fulfillment at it's core. any child can utter the magic word and in their minds can become Cap because Billy is a kid just like them. that was the charm of those books in the early 40's.... something that's extremely hard to do in today's comic market

and NO sorry "that's not what I would do" If I'm going to write something I have enough respect for the history of the character to try and understand and learn and build a foundation on what made that character work as well as learning what doesn't work. I also would rather take on a character that's not a fav. The world doesn't need another Batman story I'd rather take on characters that nobody wants to touch B'wanna Beast comes to mind.

Robert Downey Jr. wasn't a fan of Ironman when he got the project, but the man had sense enough to go do his homework. so when he played him on film we all said Wow now that's Tony Stark.......

[kingdom warrior]

and again the whole his powers come from the Sun was again to dumb him down because writers were having problems with Superman being too Powerful

Superman's powers have changed over the course of his history. It was originally stated that Superman's abilities came from his Kryptonian heritage.
That was soon amended, with the source for the powers now based upon the establishment of Krypton's gravity as having been stronger than that of the Earth.

As Superman's powers increased, the implication that all Kryptonians had possessed the same abilities became a problem for the writers, making it doubtful that a race of such beings could have been wiped out by something as an exploding planet the writers established that Kryptonians, whose star Rao was red, only possessed superpowers under the light of a yellow sun..........

[kingdom warrior]

"How that turned into flying at light speed, heat vision, etc is a little beyond me."

That all came from the radio show.......The radio show actually added a lot of the Superman Mythos. It was easier for the FX's guys to make the sound of wind in the air and let the listener imagine Superman flying through the air than leaping over tall buildings........the legendary Up Up and awaaaaaay is from the radio.

[cdhall]

Film class

The reason John Bryne did so well with the Fantastic four when he had his run because John took his time to go through the history of those characters. he spent hours upon hours going through the history learning it inside out. So he could build on it.

That's why he had such a great run with it he built his run completely on the foundation of what was already written.

Amen!
When I was working on my film degree another student asked me "Why are you taking "The History of Fim?""

I replied, "So I can pay tribute to what came before."

He thought that was such an awesome, original idea. I just thought it was obvious.

[kingdom warrior]

Amen!
When I was working on my film degree another student asked me "Why are you taking "The History of Fim?""

I replied, "So I can pay tribute to what came before."

He thought that was such an awesome, original idea. I just thought it was obvious.

Yeah man!!! and you end up being enriched more from that, your knowledge and appreciation and love for film deepens........see I like that