Smallville: Series Finale!

[Brue]

Still, isn't that essentially what it was? A work of fiction?

It's not comicbook, yes, but it's a TV show just the same.

I don't see how that would've changed anything if it were
"just a comicbook."

...

no, i think you misunderstood. they meant that they didn't want the events of the last ten years to be wiped out ala the "dream sequence" episodes we all know and hate. though i did not watch the series, Dallas dream sequenced a season or two.

[huedell]

no, i think you misunderstood. they meant that they didn't want the events of the last ten years to be wiped out ala the "dream sequence" episodes we all know and hate. though i did not watch the series, Dallas dream sequenced a season or two.

No, I understood what you just diagramed.

The thing is... I don't understand how someone can be concerned when
a fictional work turns out to be.... fictional.

Yeah, if it messes with what FOLLOWS it in that fictional work...
well, yeah, that'd justify some concern because of the offshoot
of the plot, but otherwise (as in SMALLVILLE as it ENDED)... nothing.

"Wiped out" can't really be applied to something that goes from A to B
and ends. (It shouldn't apply to a different convulution of the "dream"
but ESPECIALLY not to something that ends).

[megoscott]

Wait....so they were dead the whole time?

[Cosmicman]

I almost would rather see a continuation of this in a movie with Wellington as Superman. I got sucked into this damn show and now it's gone.
With all the fan heads on the websites screaming for a Wellington Superman show/movie (never happen because a reboot Superman movie with some other actor is in progress).
They teased us with that shot of the "Legion of Doom" at the table. GRRRRRRRRRR

Ok. Chris...what other shows can you get me into?

[VintageMike]

I was 50/50. I thought the first half was slow but loved the second half, especially the ending.
As far as any spinoff, I wouldn't rule it out because this is the CW we are talking about.
They don't have much to hang their hat on and many of the new shows they've some up (nothing to do with comics) have failed to attract an audience. Another of their long running series "One Tree Hill" will be on it's last season next year if it's renewed. If they can get enough players and think it will grab even a good portion of Smallville's audience
I'd think they'd be open to a spinoff. It may not last long (see "Birds Of Prey") but I'm inclined to believe they will try.

[Mego Magyar]

No, I understood what you just diagramed.

The thing is... I don't understand how someone can be concerned when
a fictional work turns out to be.... fictional.

Yeah, if it messes with what FOLLOWS it in that fictional work...
well, yeah, that'd justify some concern because of the offshoot
of the plot, but otherwise (as in SMALLVILLE as it ENDED)... nothing.

"Wiped out" can't really be applied to something that goes from A to B
and ends. (It shouldn't apply to a different convulution of the "dream"
but ESPECIALLY not to something that ends).

First I don't think anyone is "concerned" when a fictional work turns out to be fictional. We all know that going in, at least anyone intelligent knows that. But, when you leave from point A in a story get to point B you don't want to be told that point A and the whole journey getting to point B no longer exists as part of the story. That goes for any fiction, we go into it KNOWING that it is fiction but we want that fictional world to be there on the last page, otherwise what's the point?

IMO when a company makes a show and asks us, the viewing public, to like and care about the characters and give up our time each week to watch ( and make them tons of money ) it is condescending to at the end to erase the whole concept and basically call everyone who watched a loser for wasting their time.

I forgot another example of "erasing" continuity. The last Star Trek movie erased all Star Trek tv and movie stories that came before.

[jimsmegos]

I forgot another example of "erasing" continuity. The last Star Trek movie erased all Star Trek tv and movie stories that came before.

Excellent point. I really enjooyed the last Trek movie BUT it does suck the way the producers/ studio machine decided to flush everything as far as history goes down the toilet. Just like Lucas with Star Wars. In both instances I truly believe it was all about the bucks and the hope that they could ride their respective cash cows one more time by resaddling them. I think it worked better for Star Wars than trek but still it is sad.

Thinking about Smallville, for me I can see Tom Wellings Clark Kent haveing grown into the George Reeves Superman. Considering that once all of the drama was closed out and Metropolis took shape into the comicbook world we know, that seems to work better. The Movie Superman's seem to be f a totally different ilk.

[huedell]

First I don't think anyone is "concerned" when a fictional work turns out to be fictional. We all know that going in, at least anyone intelligent knows that. But, when you leave from point A in a story get to point B you don't want to be told that point A and the whole journey getting to point B no longer exists as part of the story. That goes for any fiction, we go into it KNOWING that it is fiction but we want that fictional world to be there on the last page, otherwise what's the point?

To enjoy what you watched (is the point) as opposed to being bummed. So, yes, I'd say people are "concerned"... and that's putting it lightly.

IMO when a company makes a show and asks us, the viewing public, to like and care about the characters and give up our time each week to watch ( and make them tons of money ) it is condescending to at the end to erase the whole concept and basically call everyone who watched a loser for wasting their time.

Well, that's a certain sect's opinion... one that I can't wrap my brain around when they react the way they do... again, ESPECIALLY
at the END of a series' run. It's over. Nothing to muck up in that fictional
world... just point A to point B to enjoy IMHO.

I forgot another example of "erasing" continuity. The last Star Trek movie erased all Star Trek tv and movie stories that came before.

They knew that there'd be a huge Trekkie contingent that'd feel this way
(as that group takes these kinds of things so personally),
that's why they they went out of their way to explain that the original Trek
universe STILL EXISTED in it's own timeline and will never truly
disappear in that fictional world... which is funny, because that's
actually dang close to my main point in the REAL world, which is...
only YOU can be responsible for eliminating the joy that a
series once brought to you.

[Brue]

No, I understood what you just diagramed.

The thing is... I don't understand how someone can be concerned when
a fictional work turns out to be.... fictional.

Yeah, if it messes with what FOLLOWS it in that fictional work...
well, yeah, that'd justify some concern because of the offshoot
of the plot, but otherwise (as in SMALLVILLE as it ENDED)... nothing.

"Wiped out" can't really be applied to something that goes from A to B
and ends. (It shouldn't apply to a different convulution of the "dream"
but ESPECIALLY not to something that ends).

because people invest in the characters and the story and the dream sequence says HA you just wasted your time -sucka!

if it doesn't matter to you what happens to the characters then why even bother watching or reading or listening to a story?

[Brue]

I forgot another example of "erasing" continuity. The last Star Trek movie erased all Star Trek tv and movie stories that came before.

as much as i hate the dream sequence this one doesn't bother me. i am not sure if it is becasue it came far enough after the fact or more likely because I consider this an alternate universe - you know like DC's infinite earths coexisting

[Rat King]

Excellent point. I really enjooyed the last Trek movie BUT it does suck the way the producers/ studio machine decided to flush everything as far as history goes down the toilet. Just like Lucas with Star Wars.

Huh? Star Trek I can see because it was established but where did Lucas "flush" it?

[huedell]

because people invest in the characters and the story and the dream sequence says HA you just wasted your time -sucka!

if it doesn't matter to you what happens to the characters then why even bother watching or reading or listening to a story?

The characters DO matter to me... it's the ending which I view, as "unrelated", that doesn't matter.

As far as I'm concerned the world in the show that is "REALITY"
in that show compared to the "dream world" (aka the actual series)
is just as removed and inconsequential to the actual series storyline
as OUR reality is.

Only YOU can make yourself the "sucka".

[Earth 2 Chris]

I don't see the last Star Trek as flushing the old timeline. That timeline's Spock is now stuck in an alternate reality that was created when Nero went back in time and mucked things up. The original TOS through TNG timeline continues without Spock, who is now considered missing in action.

The new movies will follow this new reality, but to me, the old one can still exist.

I was half expecting Smallville to do the whole "legend of Superman" thing when I saw the bit with Chloe. They kind of touched on that aspect, but what happened within the series was still canon, and I was glad for it.

We all know what Alan Moore said about imaginary stories...

Chris

[jwyblejr]

That comic book is another thing that bugged me. I guess just about everyone now knows that Superman and Clark are the same guy.

[huedell]

We all know what Alan Moore said about imaginary stories...

I feel like I'm (1 of) the only that subscribes to that notion.