Captain America - more info and pics

[samurainoir]

[ctc]

Hmmmm....

Still not liking all them straps.... didn't the Beef McHugelarge Cap have suspenders or somesuch?

....and wasn't Iron Man technically the first Avenger....?

Don C.

[PNGwynne]

Y'know, all things considered, Evens looks pretty Cappy to me..

Of course, I liked DD's movie "motorcycle" duds.


Great comments btw, regarding Roger's origiins/motivations.

[saildog]

When it's all said and done, this movie may stink on ice.....but, I can't find anything not to like, so far. In fact, I'm seeing a lot that makes me think it is going to be pretty darn fun.

I'm really looking forward to it.

[Batman]

Uhh to all of the haters that is his WWII outfit I see a more modern version before the film ends...

[Brazoo]

Truthfully I think most of Johnston's movies stink and don't have much faith in this one either. The only thing that got me on side with the director is that he mentioned "Raiders of the Lost Ark", and I'm an absolute sucker for that movie.

I've been wanting to see a superhero movie with some great action scenes since Burton's "Batman". Even the one's I think are decent always let me down with the action scenes.

If he can pull of a fraction of "Raiders" style action I'll have a good time.

[saildog]

The only thing that got me on side with the director is that he mentioned "Raiders of the Lost Ark", and I'm an absolute sucker for that movie.

..........

If he can pull of a fraction of "Raiders" style action I'll have a good time.

I'm with you on that, Brazoo.

I was doing some research for a possible Cap custom I might do as a custom and based on the pics I was seeing from the production, "Raiders" came to mind. I just got a Raiders vibe from what I could find. In fact, I formed the thought, "Man, if they try to capture that.......wow.....Cap was a serial back in the day.....damn, that serial sucked...but "what if????" (trying to portray the stream of consciousness that I had).

This was Saturday night when I was pulling all of this stuff together. Fast-forward to this thread and the mention of Raiders (and everyone's reaction to that) and given that I picked up on that apart from any mention of Raiders...well, I think the production is hitting on it.

[Brazoo]

To be fair, I'm looking at the list of movies Johnston directed, and I guess it's just "The Wolfman" "Jurassic Park 3" and "Jumanji" that weren't my cup of tea. The others weren't that bad really.

[MIB41]

My concern as well Brazoo. Great points. And what hindered those films was the lack of story. That is the reason why I have great concerns for this getting pulled off correctly. But, you never know. The first major trailer debuts during the Superbowl. Once I can get my hands wrapped around his concept, I'll have a better expectation. And believe me, I'll be looking for a clear direction in this trailer. If its just a collage of images with no sense of story, I know it will be another typical Joe Johnston, mish-mash, production. Fingers crossed and hopes for the best.

[Sandman9580]

I didn't know Johnston was the director until I read this thread, so I'm more excited now than I was before. The Rocketeer IMO was a great period adventure movie, so I have faith. Evans definitely looks the part - though I still can't help but see SuperPro whenever I see that costume. (*shudder*)

Hopefully the CGI will be kept in check, in favor of more physical effects.

[kennermike]

Joe Johnston directed The Rocketeer 1991 set in 1936 LA Nuff said! I think Sunday during the Super bowl people will blown away by the trailer he aint gonna pull a Green Hornet Trust me he's old school Director

Honey I shrunk the Kids
Jumanji
Jurassic Park 3
The Wolfman

are all Genre films I believe he was a good choice for Cap and also remember he worked at ILM for 15 years the golden years he knows about effects before he left to direct in 1988 so he has been around a very long time

[Brazoo]

My concern as well Brazoo. Great points. And what hindered those films was the lack of story. That is the reason why I have great concerns for this getting pulled off correctly. But, you never know. The first major trailer debuts during the Superbowl. Once I can get my hands wrapped around his concept, I'll have a better expectation. And believe me, I'll be looking for a clear direction in this trailer. If its just a collage of images with no sense of story, I know it will be another typical Joe Johnston, mish-mash, production. Fingers crossed and hopes for the best.

Aw man - I can tell Cap means A LOT to you, so I hope they pull this off too!

I'm just so jaded when it comes to these superhero movies - I kind of always expect the worst, and then when I get something I even kind of enjoy I'm happily surprised.

I'm a HUGE FF fan, and always thought it would be great material for a movie. I followed news about that first movie closely, even before it was actually in production - and not one shred of news ever sounded good to me. And the end product was a worse fiasco then I could have even imagined! At least in this case, this movie has SOME promise - so here's hoping!

[Batman]

It looks good I just wonder why no pics of the Red Skull yet?

[Mego Superboy Prime]

Captain America: The Greatest Hero Ever Created!!

There can be no doubt that Superman, Batman, Spider-man and Captain America lead the charge as the greatest heroes in comics. All have a sense of responsibility to protect the innocent and help the weak at all cost. But who is the greatest "pure" hero of the bunch? I think its Captain America and I'll try to prove it. Even if you don't like the character, Captain America has to be admired and respected for being the person that he is and doing what only he can do.

Big time props should go out to Joe Simon and Jack Kirby for creating a truly inspiring hero for all kids to see in December of 1940 with Captain America #1 from Timely Comics (which would later become Marvel). Leaping forth and punching Hitler in the face made a statement that no one could ignore. Here was this hero dressed up in red, white and blue with a shield fighting for every man, women, and child in America so they could have their freedom. People needed hope and a hero back in the 40's and comics gave them Captain America!! He immediately became the most prominent and enduring of a wave of patriotically themed superheroes introduced in American comics prior to and during World War II. With his sidekick Bucky, Captain America faced Nazis, Japanese and other threats to wartime America. Sure Cap wasn't the first inspirational patriotic hero (The Shield from MLJ or Archie Comics beat Cap out by fourteen months) but he was defiantly the most popular and enduring.

But why Captain America and not Superman as the greatest hero ever?

Sure Superman was the first true comic-book superstar who graced the pages of Action Comics #1 by DC Comics in June of 1938. Before him, the heroes of the industry were mere mortals and funny animals; after him, the public's demand for more sent the publishers back to the drawing board to create entire universes of super-powered beings. The very fact we call them superheroes testifies to the place Superman that occupies in the pantheon of our modern-day heroes.

For all his strength and powers, though, Superman's continued popularity also lies in the fact that he is a symbol of everything that's good about mankind. Compassionate but firm, he is the symbol that reminds us that good will always triumph over evil. But no man in the world could ever be what Superman is. That is also Supes biggest flaw when it comes to his comparison to Captain America.

Cap is all the things mentioned above but he is also just a man. Sure he was a weak skinny kid made into the peak of human perfection by the super solider serum. But he still has to train everyday to stay this way. He wears a suit that makes him a target for all to see armed with only an indestructible shield and the will to protect the American dream. He is the most respected and recognizable hero the Marvel Universe has ever seen who inspires a nation and even other super-powered beings as well as powerful Gods from far off fabled lands. And he does all this by being just a man. He isn't impervious to all danger like Superman is. He can't fly at super speeds, survive direct hits from atomic missiles and lift buildings over his head with ease. He is a human being who shows the common man that each of us possesses all the superpowers we need to be heroes ourselves.

Superman has a vast array of powers at his disposal and chooses to use them for the better of mankind knowing he rarely will ever be in danger by anything Earth can throw at him (his tagline, "This is a job for Superman!") Being DC's most powerful hero he is essentially perfect while commanding the respect of his peers in the DC Universe. Cap is a man with flaws and limits who chooses to be the target and center of the battlefield with his life on the line at every instant without the benefit of any superpowers. He battles against all kinds of threats from human to superhuman!! And he'll do it while commanding the most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe who have faith/respect in him to lead them to victory. For this reason I shall always believe that Cap is a better "pure" hero than Superman.

Even Batman doesn't command the respect and praise Cap does.

Not that Batman is any slouch in terms of abilities and presence. He is physically at the peak of human ability in dozens of areas, notably martial arts, acrobatics, strength, and escape artistry. Intellectually, he is just as peerless; Batman is one of the world's greatest scientists, criminologists, and tacticians, as well as a master of disguise. He is regarded as one of the DC Universe's greatest detectives. Rather than simply out-fighting his opponents, Batman often uses cunning and planning to outwit them. He is arguably a Renaissance man in the sheer variety and depth of his knowledge and skills. In his identity as Bruce Wayne, he is also one of the world's foremost businessmen, making Wayne Industries into one of the wealthiest companies in the world.

Cap also has no superhuman powers, although as a result of the Super-Soldier serum, he is transformed from frail Steve Rogers into a "perfect" specimen of human development and conditioning. Captain America is as intelligent, strong, fast, agile, and durable as it is possible for a human being to be without being considered superhuman. He was once seen bench-pressing 1100 lbs. unassisted. The formula enhances all of his metabolic functions and prevents the build-up of fatigue poisons in his muscles, giving him endurance far in excess of an ordinary human being. This accounts for many of his extraordinary feats, including running a mile in a little more than a minute. Furthermore, his enhancements are the reason why he was able to survive being frozen in suspended animation for decades. Cap is also unable to become intoxicated by alcohol and is immune to many diseases.

Mentally, Cap's battle experience and training make him an expert tactician and an excellent field commander, with his teammates frequently deferring to his orders in battle. Rogers' reflexes and senses are also extraordinarily keen. He is a master of multiple martial arts, including boxing, jiu jitsu, and judo, combined with his virtually superhuman gymnastic ability into his own unique fighting style with advanced pressure-point fighting. Years of practice with his indestructible shield make it practically an extension of his own body, and he is able to aim and throw it with almost unerring accuracy and even ricochet the shield to hit multiple targets. He is extremely skilled in hand-to-hand combat, sometimes taking on and defeating foes whose strength, size, or superpowers greatly exceed his. In the comics, he is regarded by other skilled fighters as the best hand-to-hand combatant in the Marvel Universe.

Cap has vast U.S. military knowledge and is often shown to be familiar with ongoing, highly-classified Defense Department operations. He also has a broad understanding of the espionage community, largely through his ongoing relationship with S.H.I.E.L.D. He occasionally makes forays into mundane career fields, including commercial arts, comic book artistry, education (high school history) and law enforcement.

The two are very comparible when it comes to overall abilities, grit, determination and willpower. It's anyones guess who really is the better (even though Cap is physically Batman's superior). Both put their lives on the line against all comers and are usually the last ones left standing in battle. But that is where the comparison's end. Batman useses fear, stealth, gadgets and his own plan regardless of what his teammates want. And there lies Batman's biggest flaw…ego. Batman is not a team player because time and time again he does what he thinks is right in a situation. Even when he is in command of the JLA many of his orders and methods are questioned, he quite simply loses their trust and faith. While Cap has absolutley no ego and useses his genuine battle experiance and expertise to lead his team to win. No one would ever question what Cap does or say because what Cap does better than ANY comic book hero is WIN pure and simple! Even Batman in the JLA/Avengers limited-series (2003-2004) steps back and is lead by who else…Captain America!! When it comes to pure RESPECT by his peers even Batman takes a back seat to Cap. This is why Cap is a much greater "pure" hero than even Batman.

As for Spider-man??

Spidey is a true hero because the superhero life has never been easy for him. Until recently, the people always loved Cap (most of the time) and Superman. They're recognized as heroes, supported by the government, and their battles are usually straight up right vs. wrong. Spiderman's life, on the other hand, would be much better if he stopped being a hero. Being Spider-man has made his life hell and he sees no reward from it and is even recognized as a criminal, but he keeps doing it because it's the right thing to do. Spider-man is a symbol for overcoming adversity, not giving up, and doing the right thing even when it hurts you. But truth be told, Spidey is this way because of Captain America. He looks up to Cap as the living, breathing and fighting symbol of freedom and wants to be just like him. That's the big difference between the two; Cap is doing what he will always do in the face of adversity and everyone around him knows it and is inspired by it!!! Even though Spider-man is a "pure" hero in every sense of the word, Captain America IS the hero he's trying to be.

Cap is so much more than an American created comicbook character. He also represents the will, dedication, and honor of the great founding fathers of America's past. Cap embodies the spirit and drive these great people in America's history had to make life better for all..

If I had to compare Cap to anyone who ever lived in reality it would have to be good ol' Gerorge Washington!! If you don't have a clue about the background of our 1st president of the U.S. then read on and notice the similarites these two icons have in common (especially the willpower Cap is so known for); George trekked through miles and miles of uncharted territory on horseback and foot with nothing but his balls, his blankets, his musket and other primitive 18th century means. In his mid- 40's he left his wealthy wife and secure estate lifestyle and rode off on horseback into a presumably unwinnable Revolution where he threw himself time and time again directly into the line of fire and afforded himself no special privileges. He practiced what he preached and he fell to his knees and prayed for the courage and discipline and restraint to not be so weak in his manliness to fail so again. He wrote eloquent letters, authored his own speeches, and scribbled down his own moral guide consisting of 101 Rules of Civility (at the age of 16), all of them using a bottle of India ink and a bird's feather while under the light of a lantern or a fireplace fire. He refused to be a King when he could have been, causing even King George III to remark, ""If true, then he is the greatest man in the world." His name and his life made it all possible. He had one dream to live by to FREE ALL Of MANKIND from ANY kind of tyranny, then and forever.

Sound fimiliar to our red, white and blue hero?

It truly boggles my mind on how great of a TRUE hero Captain America really is. He deserves the respect as comics GREATEST HERO EVER CREATED!!

NUFF SAID.

[MIB41]

I've been soundly defeated as one of the wordiest participants on this forum. All hail Superboy Prime...