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  • MIB41
    Eloquent Member
    • Sep 25, 2005
    • 15633

    Captain America - more info and pics

    Okay. This thing really looks like its unraveling. My understanding all along was the film would take place partly in the past, but also in modern day times. Now we're hearing something completely different. It's going to take place completely in the past , but will look very little like a war movie...REALLY? Here's what the director said:

    “Scripts had been developed that took place half in World War Two, half in the modern day and none of those scripts were particularly successful because the costume ended up overshadowing the man,” says Marvel chief Kevin Feige. “So we finally said, ‘If we could make a Captain America movie any way we wanted to make it, how would we make it?’ Well, we’d set the entire movie in the past, in that period, with all of the Marvel trimmings. And so we made the fun, kick-*** Captain America movie we wanted to.”

    “I’ve always loved Raiders and the tone that it had,” says director Joe Johnston. “It was period but didn’t feel like it was made in the period. It felt like a modern-day film about the period, which is what we’re doing on Captain America. It will not feel like a war movie. It’s funny where it needs to be and emotional where it needs to be and serious and full of action.”

    And he's not just an American hero, argues Evans. “I think he’s the ideal human,” says Evans. “Not just American. It’s what being a good person is. Steve’s managed to overcome all the shortcomings he’s had in life and he does what’s good and what he believes is right.”


    Now if that is true, then what you see for the costume is what your getting, period. With the exception of the first costume he wears as a entertainment gig for the military. Eh, this thing is sounding like a mess. Plus they have removed his patriotic origin. Lame... I knew they would choke on being honest with the character's origins. Waving the flag should be a metaphor for all countries. Here's some additional pics.

    http://www.empireonline.com/images/magazine/cover.jpg

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...media/1-38.jpg
    Last edited by MIB41; Jan 31, '11, 1:09 PM.
  • LonnieFisher
    Eloquent Member
    • Jan 19, 2008
    • 10996

    #2
    Hmmmmm........
    I hope it's a good movie.

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    • Earth 2 Chris
      Verbose Member
      • Mar 7, 2004
      • 32932

      #3
      Honestly, this sounds good to me. I thought he was in WWII throughout his solo movie anyhow, and was thawed out in Avengers.

      The part about it being like Raiders is dead-on, I think. The Cap stories Lee and Kirby did in the sixties, but set in the past had that same sort of vibe. It was a super hero comic set in WWII.

      I didn't read anything about taking away his patriotic origins.Cap should represent the best man has to offer, and adhere to the ideals that Amercia SHOULD adhere to, even when they don't.

      Chris
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      • Brazoo
        Permanent Member
        • Feb 14, 2009
        • 4767

        #4
        You think the "not just American" thing is PC? I thought it just sounded like they had intended to give him a character, as oppose to just making him a patriotic symbol, and nothing else.

        If they go anywhere close to "Raiders" with the physicality of the character and actually block out exciting action scenes - as oppose to just thrusting the camera around all over the place - I'll be there for sure!

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        • MIB41
          Eloquent Member
          • Sep 25, 2005
          • 15633

          #5
          No. I completely want it to go beyond a patriotic film. I'm sorry if I worded that badly. I just felt like the director was making too big a deal out of this idea that he's a good person. Isn't that evident? I would assume he is a good person just like all of the other heroes are. It just sounds like he's writing more into that than needs to be there. But waving the flag is not something that has to be shied away from either. To me that's something any person watching from any country can relate to and be proud of with their country. That's staying true to your own heritage. Not making a broader statement about who is suppose to be "better". No. I would certainly hope they don't go there. And that's not what I would ever suggest or want. I think promoting pride in one's country is very healthy.
          Last edited by MIB41; Jan 31, '11, 1:04 PM.

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          • Brazoo
            Permanent Member
            • Feb 14, 2009
            • 4767

            #6
            Could be he's just playing lip-service so the movie doesn't sound like they're pigeon-holing it to only appeal to Americans too though.

            That cover you posted doesn't make me think they're going to shy away from patriotism in the film. I mean, they could have put Allies flags behind him if they wanted to really cheese out.

            It is interesting that they set the whole thing in WWII - it IS different then I thought it was going to be too - but I'm cool with that though. I want to see him kicking but on a German motorcycle "Great Escape" style!

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            • Brazoo
              Permanent Member
              • Feb 14, 2009
              • 4767

              #7
              Also, this way at least the first movie won't be littered with dumb jokes about him being confused by the future - gawking at cell-phones and saying things like "where can I get an internet?"

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              • kingdom warrior
                OH JES!!
                • Jul 21, 2005
                • 12478

                #8
                It's interesting that lot's of folks want to bum rush Cap into the future and kinda white wash him away from the 40's......the character builds his legend in that era....it would be nice if you can at least have two films with him in the 40's......and maybe leading the Invaders THEN in the Avengers movie have him in modern times.

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                • MIB41
                  Eloquent Member
                  • Sep 25, 2005
                  • 15633

                  #9
                  To me Captain America was about this disabled kid who bought into the patriotism of his country. He read the propaganda and he bought into it all the way. So much that he agreed to be a guinea pig for an experiment that would allow him to "serve" his country. Becoming Captain America revealed to him the many lies within the propaganda. But that didn't stop him from loving his country and trying to live up to the values of what got him there, even if his own country didn't stand behind them. He wanted to represent his country with dignity. And I think that is what Captain America is all about. It's about pride in your own country and being the best you can be. If your country doesn't agree, maybe YOU can be the start of something to transform it into that better place. So it's universal in scope. So, in my mind, if the director shies away from the patriotism aspect of that message, he's lost the character.

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                  • kingdom warrior
                    OH JES!!
                    • Jul 21, 2005
                    • 12478

                    #10
                    Originally posted by MIB41
                    To me Captain America was about this disabled kid who bought into the patriotism of his country. He read the propaganda and he bought into it all the way. So much that he agreed to be a guinea pig for an experiment that would allow him to "serve" his country. Becoming Captain America revealed to him the many lies within the propaganda. But that didn't stop him from loving his country and trying to live up to the values of what got him there, even if his own country didn't stand behind them. He wanted to represent his country with dignity. And I think that is what Captain America is all about. It's about pride in your own country and being the best you can be. If your country doesn't agree, maybe YOU can be the start of something to transform it into that better place. So it's universal in scope. So, in my mind, if the director shies away from the patriotism aspect of that message, he's lost the character.
                    Damn! That's so dead on! Totally agree

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                    • Earth 2 Chris
                      Verbose Member
                      • Mar 7, 2004
                      • 32932

                      #11
                      I agree, but I just can't see where the movie makers are saying this isn't the case with the character. Cap has lost faith in America before, but he always comes back around to the ideals that America was founded on, whether they are currently practiced or not.

                      Chris
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                      • Brazoo
                        Permanent Member
                        • Feb 14, 2009
                        • 4767

                        #12
                        Originally posted by MIB41
                        And he's not just an American hero, argues Evans. “I think he’s the ideal human,” says Evans. “Not just American. It’s what being a good person is. Steve’s managed to overcome all the shortcomings he’s had in life and he does what’s good and what he believes is right.”
                        Yeah - I don't read anything anti or non patriotic into this either. I read this as saying "he's not just an ideal American hero, he's also an ideal hero in general." I don't get why one invalidates the other.

                        Maybe the phrasing leaves it open to that interpretation - or maybe the rest of the article goes into that division more.

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                        • MIB41
                          Eloquent Member
                          • Sep 25, 2005
                          • 15633

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Brazoo
                          Maybe the phrasing leaves it open to that interpretation - or maybe the rest of the article goes into that division more.
                          Exactly. Everything I want could be in this film. But I got the impression THIS Steve Rogers becomes Captain America because of his personal struggles with his disabilities. And that is not what created Captain America. It was his country's message to him and how he came to see it on real terms once he assumed the role. It's an evolution. First a blind love of country; then a realization of myth vs reality; then an acceptance of himself; then a decision to use himself as a tool to transform his country into that original idea they sold to him when he was young. I think it's about patriotism. Love of country and making it the best it can be by being the best you can be. The story isn't so much about Steve Rogers finding himself. It's about Steve figuring out who Captain America is. There's a big difference.
                          Last edited by MIB41; Jan 31, '11, 4:24 PM.

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                          • The Bat
                            Batman Fanatic
                            • Jul 14, 2002
                            • 13412

                            #14
                            That Magazine Pic is so BAD ARSE!!!!!!!
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                            • jasonmego1277
                              Persistent Member
                              • Dec 9, 2008
                              • 1741

                              #15
                              Honestly so far everything has been a turn off for this. This has had a more frustrating mis-information campaign than a Michael Bay film. I love this character and always will. I just hope this film does not butcher it too much. I am laughing at some things like the directors anti-American comments of late.......Not a good thing to do. I will probbably end up seeing it .....I just hope its done well.
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