Superhero movies have come full circle.

[ctc]

>A special effect when done right is a great trick.

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>Those poor dumb actors, theyre next.

Yup. Not just that; but writers, designers, etc. I can see producers wanting a world where films are literally "Plot A, plus Characters C, G, H, in setting Q." They're close as it is. I've been told that's why animation studi bigwigs push for cgi; even though it's mor expensive than line animation: they're working towards a pushbutton film industry.

>Thanks to CGI were able to get a realistic Spider-Man, Mr. Fantastic, Human Torch and Silver Surfer.

True; but I think that gets close to some new problems: you shouldn't HAVE to produce a realistic Silver Surfer.... he's a nekkid chrome guy flying through space on a surfboard.... if you need to attribute that with "realistic" you're probably missing the point. Designers start working FOR the cgi rather than using it, which means a lot of ideas fed through the "realistic" filter. Which means stuff starts looking the same.

Don C.

[boynightwing]

Young Arnold in Terminator Salvation was the best part of that whole movie. I couldn't believe how perfect they got him.

There is a lot of hard work involved in CGI. I think people don't understand just how much goes in to it. The "making of" DVD extra's give the impression they hit a few keys and it all comes together magically, but that isn't the case. You have to go to school for years to learn the software and the animation principals involved to make it convincing. However without it, all we have is that awful 70's live action Spider-man instead of really awesome Spidey by Sam Rami (well not Spidey 3 but that wasn't the artists fault. That was bad storytelling).

Yes there is bad CGI out there. Wolverine Origins is one example. They couldn't even get the claws to stay still on his hand. When he got hit by that truck it popped me right out of the movie. That's when it doesn't work.

When it does work however, it works really well. Iron Man, Silver Surfer, Terminator, Tron Legacy, Lord of the Rings, and so many others are good examples.

The one thing I am not a fan of are CGI sets. Not that I think they look bad, but it seems to give actors nothing to work with and hurts the performance. I think they should at least do as much as they can for real and anything out there and strange should get the CGI treatment.

[TrueDave]

CTC good point about the silver surfer. Lonzo Jones ( Bat 66'). Additionally the creator of Bat B&B cartoon said the same. ( and Bruce Cambell)

Theyre not realistic characters. If you need to see a Wayne industries stock report to see how Batman could afford stuff youre missing the point.
Lonzo said he just couldnt take superheroes seriously , and Cambell was ****ed hollywood bought all teh B movies up. Why would you want them to be realistic anyway? Theyre escapism?

Hectors apperance has reminded me of a talk we had before. Bottom line is I shouldnt comment. I have a personal stake in this. I am not working in my dream job because CGI replaced the industry I wanted to make a big splash in.
I've had to do gore and blood on cheap midwestern movies . Yawn.

I asked Dick Smith why old age make up was so important and he said it was the thing you get asked for the most. ( how do you think the Tron movie trailer made me feel? They can reverse age digitally. Rare) I was so happy I got to study under him. I finally found out the truth with Deniros Mohawk in Taxi Driver. GENIUS!

I'm a professionally trained sculptor.
How would you likeit if somebody replaced ALL the new Neo Megos with Virtual Electronic Cartoons? For $20 you get to download the IMAGE of a EMCE and store it .

I just cant get emotionally involved in a cartoon. UNLESS its suppossed to be a cartoon. Otherwise i feel like someone is trying to impress me with a lie.

And teh actors. Ever watch teh making of Return of teh Jedi? Jabba scsene interviews with the stars/ they were PUMPED to be working with a amazing accomplisment in Puppetry. Just learning about how they did that was like watching a great band live.

look . This isnt a hobby. not any more. This was/ is ? trying to be my job.

And whats a man with outhis livelyhood?

I am good with my hands but I cant learn to type. Im not afraid of new technology I cant understand it. Math kinda learning disability.

I don't belong here. Peopel who love Big Macs dont care what he reciepe is.

I just came on here to learn about plastics. Thanks to Ed I got my shrinking resin for my sculptues. Thank you man.

Hey Black Knight. How about a deal? If you can give me teh information I ask for at the bottom of the page I'll get off your nerves and leave the site.

[ctc]

>Why would you want them to be realistic anyway? Theyre escapism?

My only real complaint with the whole “realism” thing (and it’s actually a pretty sizable complaint) is that it brings everything closer to being the same. “Realism” is an abstract concept; and usually refers to whatever the currently accepted “correct” way of doing things is. IE: the current pattern EVERYBODY is using. There’s nothing wrong with over the top, insanely unrealistic superheroes. Superman ISN’T REALISTIC. AT ALL! IN ANY WAY! Neither is Batman, or Spiderman, or a nekkid chrome guy flying through space on a surfboard. But they doesn’t HAVE to be.

Problem is, everybody from the creators to the fans seems to think so. (But I’ve gone on at length about that before....)

>I have a personal stake in this.

We all do. If you want my hard earned sheckles and 2 hours of my life that I’ll never get back you can certainly expect me to have an opinion.

>For $20 you get to download the IMAGE of a EMCE and store it .

HAW! Good point.... but you can bring it closer to home. Look how many folks here expressed STRONG opinions over digital comics. A change in format that doesn’t fundamentally alter the experience of the medium and people lost their minds!

>Otherwise i feel like someone is trying to impress me with a lie.

THAT I find kinda harsh; but if that’s where you’re at, then that’s where you’re at. Like I said; there’s no RIGHT way of doing things.... it’s ALL a matter of taste. And what sort of things impress and entertain you. I MUCH prefer the movie “Robot Monster” to “Avatar.” And it’s not because it’s a “better” movie: I don’t care about effects at all. Sure, if they’re good it’s nice.... but I’d rather see weird, surprising stuff. No surprises in Avatar. But Robot Monster....? An hour and a half of pure “***?!??!” Which is what I prefer. If “Robot Monster” had the same level of SFX as Avatar it really wouldn’t change my experience.

But that’s me. There’s room for all sorts of entertainment. At least I’d HOPE so. Problem is that everything looks the same, plays out the same, IS the same.... Too much money to take any sort of risks so they follow the old saws. THAT’S what I object to; and I find the CGI is often used to facilitate this. Which is why I don’t like it so much.... even though the CGI itself isn’t the problem.

>I'll get off your nerves and leave the site.

That’s kinda drastic too. Folks don’t care what I think, and I’m still here. As long as you’re not a jerk about it, I don’t think so many folks here worry about dissenting opinions. (And I haven’t seen any posts from you that are jerkish.)

>You have to go to school for years to learn the software and the animation principals involved to make it convincing.

I know it’s a lot of work.... more than line animation by far.... and it takes a lot of training to be proficient; but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have it’s pitfalls. One of them is that so many CGI artists come at it from a technical background, and NOT an artistic one.

Don C.

[TrueDave]

The lie thing like when Im watching a bad magician. I just feel bad for a failed attempt.

Yes the sameness . . I feel it.

As for teh CGI problem Something I was taught about as a student was "Atmospheric Perspective" A lot of CGI doesnt have it. I used to have Gamecube and I could never get past the SpeederBike misson in Rouge Squadron because teh trees in teh ditance were too sharp. Air has density, in real life.

Thing I hear a lot is young directors tell effects guys it doesnt look real enough , because it doesnt look video game enough. Thast teh reality the directors know.

I will say I like going to teh Animated films. Mega mind. Over the Hedge, I love em.

But the old Tom and Jerry stuff is teh best cartooning I like. ( and Fleisher Superman.)

Progress dioesnt mean things should get sloppy.

Best CGI effect I remeber was Texas Chainsaw remake ( maybe teh prequel) Leather face hits his old man boss in teh head with a hammer. No cut aways no rbber hammer BAM! GOOD effect! Subtle, new, couldnt be done safely conventually.

Also Where teh Wild things are. Making a fantasy intensive costume LOOK like something we know and reconize: An amusement park mascot was great.

There are ways to use it as a tool. Mr Hyde in Leauge of Extrodinary Gentleman was teh way they should have done Hulk.

[kingdom warrior]

You prefer Jack Nicholson's Joker to Heath Ledger's Joker...nuff said...

This is the Joker.....Yes Fat and Old but still the Joker



This


Plus this


and You Get this Crackhead Version.....I rest my Case

[jds1911a1]

This is the Joker.....Yes Fat and Old but still the Joker

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q290/MrAtomicThunder/jacknicholsonjoker.jpg

This

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q290/MrAtomicThunder/brandon-lee-the-crow-photograph-c10104025jpeg.jpg

Plus this

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q290/MrAtomicThunder/james-stewart.jpg

and You Get this Crackhead Version.....I rest my Case
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...er-suicide.jpg

I love Jack Nicholson in BATMAN but really neither one was a very good joker.
Ledger was a modern style serial murderer but he could just as much been John Wayne Gacey as the joker, Jack had flashes of Jokerness (especially in the final battle ("the chattering teeth) but mostly he was Jack being Jack in makeup

Ceaser did have the most accurate Joker for his time I'm still waiting for a good mad joker (portrayed properly mad and murderous like in the BAS series by Mark Hamill)

[kingdom warrior]

Ceaser did have the most accurate Joker for his time I'm still waiting for a good mad joker (portrayed properly mad and murderous like in the BAS series by Mark Hamill)

Yeah Man Love Romero's Joker and Yeah feel the same, Loved Hammil's voice and love the BTAS Joker......