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I might be misremembering this, but I would think that Winick might have actually got his break at DC through his work at Oni Press, a company founded by Bob Schreck, who went on to become an editor at DC Comics.
Although I'm not sure... was Schreck the editor of Green Lantern or Green Arrow when Winick came on board? I'm pretty sure Schreck was the reason they got Kevin Smith to finally do GA (Smith published Clerks at Oni Press).
Winick also won an Eisner for his Oni work IIRC.Comment
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Schreck was indeed the guy who brought Winnick to DC. He was the group editor of the Batman line following Denny O'Neil, and also edited the relaunched Green Arrow title, and I do believe he did edit the GL title when Winnick took that series over.
ChrisComment
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I second that "PUH-LEASE!"
I never had much respect for Winnick's work anyway...but, BOY, he's got more chutzpah than sense (or writing abilities)
Heh...maybe he needs to visit "The Real World", eh?
Just read this and it made me laugh....Winnick is describing the recent scene he wrote in the Green Arrow/Black Canary Wedding Special were BC seemingly kills GA:
Is he seriously comparing himself to Stan the Man? Even with all of Stan's shortcomings as far as giving credit where credit is due in regards to Kirby, Ditko, et. al........he's 1000 times a better scripter than Judd Winnick! And a much more prolific "co-creator" than Judd will ever be.
Puh-lease!
(Okay my rant is done...)Comment
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>he's got more chutzpah than sense (or writing abilities)
Well.... dunno if that's exactly fair to say, since he hasn't really built up a substantial enough body of work to really judge.
Part of the reason I never liked Byrne was 'cos he seemed like a constructed celebrity. When I was a kid, Kirby got a LOT of hype; but at the time he'd worked in comics for over thirty years and had produced stories in damned near every genre: from sci-fi to romance. So it seemed pretty fair to shower him with accolades. He'd proven himself. But then Byrne came around and was EVERYWHERE! Whoever he worked for at the time hailed him as the second coming of Kirby. And he'd worked in comics what; a few years? Produced a couple of independant type stories and then got scooped by Marvel? It didin't seem right to put someone on a pedestal who's staying power and versatility hadn't been tested. But they did, and Fates help anyone who questioned it at the time.
>His Fantastic Four has been called the best story-telling since Lee and Kirby...He also helped make the X-Men the juggernaut (no pun intended) they are today.
That's what I mean. Some might say it was Claremont who made the X-Men. Some might say it was Wolverine. I don't recall Byrne being on the book all that long; during it's real heyday it was that dude who's art looked like a stripped down B. Windsor-Smith. (Can't for the life of me remember his name though....)
But since then it's seemed to me like the publishers are always looking for a celeb; and it culminated in the 90's. The artist of a book was hyped more than the actual book. (Or for the longest time, the writer....) I think guys like Winnick are the byproduct of that. They're like child stars in Hollywood: while they're "it" everybody kisses their shmenge and they can do no wrong. So sure they're gonna develop egos. Nobody says "no" to these guys, and if someone does it's easy to ignore them in the throng of admirers.
Don C.Comment
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Are you Talking Paul Smith? he had a very nice run on the book......Comment
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^ If it is Paul Smith Don is talking about (and I was wrong about Cockrum)...Paul Smith was only on X-Men from #165-175...again advantage to Byrne.Think OUTSIDE the Box! For the BEST in Repro & Custom Packaging!Comment
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>Are you thinking of Dave Cockrum?
Nah... he was the first of the "all new, all different" X-Men artists...
>Byrne was on the X-Men book from #108 to #143
It's the guy who came AFTER that I think. He joined halfway through the Broodworld story... and I seem to remember him (or a reasonable facimile) doing the art into the Ahab/new Phoenix/Future Imperfect series.
>If it is Paul Smith Don is talking about
That's gotta be him! I can never remember his name. (Maybe 'cos it sounds like an alias?)
Don C.Comment
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It's Paul Smith you are talking about he came on during the whole Brood storyline.....But his time was short...... I remember Smith regretting leaving the book.John Romita Jr.Replaced him after....Comment
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I forgot that Cockrum came back AFTER Byrne and before Paul Smith so that adds some more issues under his belt....Think OUTSIDE the Box! For the BEST in Repro & Custom Packaging!Comment
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Other than the Kirby/Lee run (which I read in reprints), Byrne's FF was the only time I read the book. Too bad he left the book midway thru a storyline, but that seems to be his M.O. He left Superman, West Coast Avengers, Hulk, and She Hulk twice that way.You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie BanksComment
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He claims he was forced off various projects due to his differences with Jim Shooter. He apparently was forced off of West Coast Avengers, because Shooter didn't want him to do the Evil Scarlet Witch story (or something like that). I don't think it's fair to say that's his M.O. Personality and/or creative differences between editors, artists and writers often makes this sort of thing happen. I am in no way saying Byrne is a saint, because he ain't...Hey that rhymes!
Byrne returned to She-Hulk, if you don't recall. He did buckets of Superman stories, when he did the relaunch...Writers and artists can't always stay on titles indefinitely, you know.
CTC...John Byrne probably had the reputation of a hard worker, who was fast and his talent spoke for itself then (from working at Charlton Comics on Doomsday +1, Space:1999, etc...). Maybe that's why he was touted by Marvel execs as the next best thing...I don't know. He did some amazing stuff while he was there, though.
DanaLast edited by danadoll; Oct 23, '07, 7:56 AM."Do you want a doll?" KurtComment
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^^^ Didn't say he had to stay on FF or Supes indefinitely, just that he always leaves midway thru a storyline without wrapping it up first. Doing the same thing over and over does make it look like he's got issues with editors.You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie BanksComment
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To bring it all back around....Byrne is still better than Winnick!Think OUTSIDE the Box! For the BEST in Repro & Custom Packaging!Comment
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