Ted Kord Returns as the Blue Beetle Today!

[samurainoir]

I always thought BB and BG were lame. 5th or 6th string heroes at best.

They become 4th string when you put 'em both together with Dematties and Giffen. 3rd string if you add Kevin Maguire! I think the notion of star-power and his D-list status is intrinsic to Booster's character... best seen in the JLU episode and the 52 comic series.

I agree that Dan Garrett was the most successful, it's a shame that a character that had that kind of mainstream success hasn't stuck on the cultural radar. Given the fact that he hasn't really been seen for half a century the only folks that would remember him from back in the day are in rest homes.

With the amount of fondness fandom had for the Charlton incarnation, I was always really surprised to go back and find that his run there was so short. Arguably his "knockoff" in Watchman moves the mass cultural needle more than Ted Kord. His biggest success is as part of the Justice League (which you can pretty much say for many of the C-list characters of the Giffen era).

Already the Reyes incarnation has action figures and cartoon appearances, not to mention the live action TV show in development by DC Entertainment They really are hot to try and find something to replace Smallville. I think he's here for a while. Plus I dig the sentient costume.

[Captain]

Technically, shouldnt the Dan Garett Beetle be the one under any legal embargos? He was the one used in the radio show, and so forth??

Whatever, Kord should be back in the mask. I have only seen the B&B shows take on the new Beetle, but I dont like him...no sir, dont like him at all.

[johnnystorm]

Sorry, Booster was on my pull list until Jurgens left. It was a top-notch book that was on the top of my 'read' pile every month.

I looked over the new teams issues and dropped it right away. While before they had a different take on Booster that was cool, now they just want to play up what to me was one of the worst periods in JLA history, the goofy humor issues. And I cannot stomach Giffens weird angular headed art, and they're already back to treating Booster as the idiot stepchild. That bwa-ha-ha crap wore thin a long time ago. I'm out.

[B-Lister]

There's now a generation of kids who identify Jaime Reyes as THE Blue Beetle.

you'd SERIOUSLY try to take that away to maintain your own comfort zone?

and then you wonder why comics are dying?

[B-Lister]

Technically, shouldnt the Dan Garett Beetle be the one under any legal embargos? He was the one used in the radio show, and so forth??

Whatever, Kord should be back in the mask. I have only seen the B&B shows take on the new Beetle, but I dont like him...no sir, dont like him at all.

he wasn't in JLU for that very reason. so I'd say it covers Him as well.

Jaime is wholly owned by DC, Dan and Ted were acquired in the 80s.

Kord's days are done, and he should stay dead. He wasn't that important when he was in the mask, and they seem pretty happy to keep Jaime in the costume, and build a franchise with him

I mean, he IS on the Studio Mural, if you think Ted's coming back to replace Jaime, you're dreaming.

[samurainoir]

Technically, shouldnt the Dan Garett Beetle be the one under any legal embargos? He was the one used in the radio show, and so forth??

Whatever, Kord should be back in the mask. I have only seen the B&B shows take on the new Beetle, but I dont like him...no sir, dont like him at all.

I think it's the blanket name "Blue Beetle" that would have been the issue, but it looks like Warners has paid up and now are looking to get some return on their investment with their push for Blue Beetle in the cartoons, toys, and live action.

You must get out there and buy up every copy of Booster Gold you can get your hands on if you want Kord to STAY in the mask now that He's Back!

[The Toyroom]

There's now a generation of kids who identify Jaime Reyes as THE Blue Beetle.

you'd SERIOUSLY try to take that away to maintain your own comfort zone?

and then you wonder why comics are dying?

Seriously what kids do you know that are actually reading today's comics? Considering that Jamie Reyes has only been in existance for 4 years and has had a FAILED series, not to mention a FAILED back-up strip...I'm sure whatever kids ARE reading comics today would be fine if Reyes was sent into limbo.

It's DC editorial/corporate that is PUSHING the use of Reyes as the Beetle, not the demand from kids or anyone else reading the comics.

[The Toyroom]

Kord's days are done, and he should stay dead. He wasn't that important when he was in the mask, and they seem pretty happy to keep Jaime in the costume, and build a franchise with him

Yeah, funny thing is Ted Kord is popping up more now than he has in years so I don't think HE'S going anywhere either.

I mean, he IS on the Studio Mural, if you think Ted's coming back to replace Jaime, you're dreaming.

Yeah cause big corporations always let their Studio Murals dictate which direction they take their characters

In the immortal words of Ted Kord, THE BLUE BEETLE: "Bwah-ha-ha!"

[samurainoir]

I've got a four year old nephew and a six year old niece that love the Reyes Beetle. Particularly in Tiny Titans.


I think DC is doing fine with both Blue Beetles running around. Even the kids get that there is a teen Beetle and an older Beetle in Brave and Bold cartoons, just as there is more than one Flash as seen in that recent episode.

Why does it have to be either/or all the time? Both are great characters in their own right.

Keith Giffen gets to have his cake and eat it too. He's writing/drawing Ted Kord co-starring in Booster Gold, a character he really likes and enjoys working with. He's writing Jaime Reyes in the pages of Justice League Generation Lost. Plus the royalty money he gets from Jaime Reyes action figure and TV appearances.

Heck, I think it's time for Dan Garrett to show up in the pages of JSA. If anyone isn't getting the props he deserves, it's poor ol' Garrett.

Do you guys prefer Policeman Dan Garrett or Archeologist Dan Garrett?

[B-Lister]

Seriously what kids do you know that are actually reading today's comics? Considering that Jamie Reyes has only been in existance for 4 years and has had a FAILED series, not to mention a FAILED back-up strip...I'm sure whatever kids ARE reading comics today would be fine if Reyes was sent into limbo.

It's DC editorial/corporate that is PUSHING the use of Reyes as the Beetle, not the demand from kids or anyone else reading the comics.

because Kord's series was SUCH a greater success.....

Reyes is THE Blue Beetle in Brave and the Bold, he's on the Warner Mural, he's the one they're putting the money behind, and he's deserving of all of it.

he's a great character, and fan apathy has failed to stop it. I am so sick of nostalgia-sick manchildren refusing to accept anything new, because they refuse to give up what they loved.

meanwhile they run around with their hands in the air wondering why kids aren't buying comics.

DC Editorial is also pushing Hal Jordan and Barry Allen.

I'm against both, but for different reasons. But the fact of the matter is, a great character shouldn't have to take a backseat just because he's a legacy and the guy he replaced wants his seat at the table back.

Ted's done, it is clear that Warner's money is going to Jaime, and I can't say I mind that one bit.

you've got your Sociopath, and your Martyr back, give us fans of the new guys something.

[B-Lister]

Yeah, funny thing is Ted Kord is popping up more now than he has in years so I don't think HE'S going anywhere either.



Yeah cause big corporations always let their Studio Murals dictate which direction they take their characters

In the immortal words of Ted Kord, THE BLUE BEETLE: "Bwah-ha-ha!"

No, it's not the studio mural that dictates which direction they take their characters, it's quite the opposite.

it's STUDIO MONEY that dictates it, and the studio money is behind Jaime, hence the mural. And the Cartoon. And the push in the comics. And there's little to nothing you can do about it, because the direction is clear. They're building the franchise on Jaime. Ted is only a small part of it. A VERY small part of it.

and for once I like the decision.

And in the immortal intent of Max Lord: "Eat it, Ted."


that said, I'm a HUGE Charlton fan. I just don't like the fact that the fans can't accept the fact that Jaime isn't keeping the costume warm for Ted's return. Jaime is THE Blue Beetle. Ted will have to just accept that and take a back seat. WHERE HE BELONGS.

[EMCE Hammer]

Don't put words in everybody's mouth. There are plenty of us who don't object to the Kyle Rayners and Jamie Reyes of the world. We just don't buy that the Hal Jordans and Ted Kords need to be sacrificed for them. Hal Jordan had a rich and honorable history before DC decided to trash it all in favor of a sensational storyline. You conveniently ignore decades of solid stories when you hang your hat on the Parallax era. If you bother to look, you'll find that Hal wasn't the first, and won't be the last, character to be possessed and made to do heinous things. The Hal Jordan character doesn't need to be a POS for the sake of Kyle Rayner. It doesn't need to be one or the other, and most of the laments are because that DC has such a hard time recognizing this. Nobody is whining about Rayner anymore now that Hal is back, and if Ted gets restored the noise about Jamie will probably fall off too. Ted Kord is my Blue Beetle; Jamie is my son's. We're both totally cool with it.

[BlackKnight]

[The Bat]

[The Toyroom]

I am so sick of nostalgia-sick manchildren refusing to accept anything new, because they refuse to give up what they loved.

If that was the case, I wouldn't continue to buy new books and series. I'm always willing to give new books/characters a try...but if they suck, I drop them. Which is what happened with the new Jamie Reyes Blue Beetle, the Artie Joe Aquaman, the Ryan Chio Atom, Jason Rausch Firestorm...I was on board for a good majority of their respective runs until I realized I was wasting money on lackluster characters and stories. Funny how everyone else seemed to reach the same conclusion or otherwise all of those books/characters would still be published in those formats, no?

DC Editorial is also pushing Hal Jordan and Barry Allen.

I'm against both, but for different reasons. But the fact of the matter is, a great character shouldn't have to take a backseat just because he's a legacy and the guy he replaced wants his seat at the table back.

Just because DC editorial is pushing it doesn't mean it's a good idea, in any situation. In Blue Beetle's case it seems unwarranted because there's a lot of apathy toward the character.

The return of Hal Jordan to the Green Lantern mythos has been a resounding success and basically proves that DC was wrong to have him travel down the Parallax road in the 90s. BUT it also paved the way for the story that Geoff Johns and company have since created so its a win in my book. Green Lantern is high-profile series for DC and has become a franchise 2nd only to Superman and Batman for them. And in light of recent events in the Superman and Batman universes I'd say Green Lantern is actually outshining them.

And PLEASE keep in mind that Hal Jordan is not a REAL murderer..in fact, little clue for ya.....he's not even REAL period Heck, even Darth Vader, one of the all-time villains ever has been redeemed of sorts.

Barry Allen's return as the Flash has been a big misfire...I realize the intent behind the resurrection but it's been a huge misstep for DC...Not an effort to be proud of so far. And I was always a huge Barry Allen Flash fan back in the day