New look for Wonder Woman

[PNGwynne]

And I'm sure this F's up Wonder GIRL's (Donna Troy) continuity once again......

What continuity@

[PNGwynne]

The classic costume is classic for a reason. Quit trying to revamp characters and just write better stories.

Absolutely!!!!!!!

[Werewolf]

Samurainoir, I have no idea why you keep quoting me and I have nothing against you personally. But I will say it again, I am not going to argue and I will not be baited. Any futher attempts to quote me or bait me will be ignored. That's all I have to say to you on this topic.

[samurainoir]

Superhero comics have predominately become a medium for men and they tend to view the male heroes as idolized versions of themselves and the female characters are drawn as what they find attractive. Wonder Woman doesn't fit that mold.

This is exactly what I'm talking about in terms of traditional feminism, and where third wave feminism took us beyond that into the nineties. This kind of conceit marginalizes other viewpoints and discounts those that don't tow within the narrow confines of how you define Masculinity and Feminism.

Life is much more complex than that, I can't say I'm often not guilty of thinking in terms of similar absolutes. I still recall doing a spit-take while out drinking with some buddies where most of us agreed that Linda Carter was the most desirable woman of our youth. That was when one friend came out of the closet by giving the contrary opinion that he did not desire Wonder Woman, he wanted to BE Wonder Woman.

Here is a group of Wonder Woman fans who see her as idolized versions of their male ideal at Toronto Pride. Are you saying that their viewpoints don't count?


Meanwhile, at the official "Dyke March"

[Werewolf]

To preface this I am speaking general terms. Obviously many male comic fans here deeply respect and care for Wonder Woman. To my fellow Wonder Woman fans, you guys rock and these comments aren't directed at you.

I hate to say this but I 'm sure a lot of this has to go with that there are people still threatened by the character.

Unlike Batgirl or Supergirl, who are female versions of male heroes, Wonder Woman is her own unique character. She also isn't just a sidekick or a girlfriend to a popular male character. She is beautiful but just isn't there to arch her back and wink at the male reader and say look at my boobs like Power Girl.

She is also incredibly strong and one of the few heroes in the DC universe that can go toe to toe with Superman. I remember watching the bonus features on the New Frontier DVD and the artist drew Wonder Woman taller than Superman and commented some guys still have trouble dealing with a woman that big and strong.

Superhero comics have predominately become a medium for men and they tend to view the male heroes as idolized versions of themselves and the female characters are drawn as what they find attractive. Wonder Woman doesn't fit that mold.

So DC yet again wants to make her less threatening like when they depowered her in the 60s. She is de-aged, de-powered and no longer a founding member of the Justice League. She is no longer the equal of Superman and Batman. She is now 19 year old no one has heard of before. Her entire history has been erased.

[Earth 2 Chris]

I wonder if DC isn't toying with the notion of downplaying the costume aspect of their characters. Maybe it's the Smallville influence creeping in?

Remember Marvel tried that tact with Secret IDs and their characters just a few years ago. Then they got themselves into quite a mess with Spidey, and had to get out of it.

Oh wait, that was JMS.

The guy's a menace, I tells ya!

Chris

[EMCE Hammer]

The thing I don't like about the jacket is that it makes her look like another
iconic superhero to me.....BLACK CANARY.

I immediately thought "red canary." She looks like she went to Target and bought a $10 WW shirt.

[spamn]

I am also constantly astounded at how much more relevant Wonder Woman seems to be within the GLB Community these days than traditional Feminist circles. (I say this knowing that the streets will be filled with Wonder Woman costumes this weekend as Toronto celebrates it's PRIDE week).

Are the costumes being worn by women or men? Or is it evenly distributed?

[boynightwing]

Every time they do something like this its epic fail. This doesn't look too bad though. I give it about 8 months and they'll go back to her normal outfit.

[samurainoir]

She's certainly had quite a few costumes over the years and I'm sure we'll see plenty more in the future.

[samurainoir]

don't forget she was/is in love with Nemesis

As well as her involvement over the years and incarnations, with Trevor Barnes, Steve Trevor, Hercules, Andros etc.

[Captain]

All I have to say on the entire matter is...ugh!


(I remember when DC stood for Detective Comics....not Derivative Crap)

[Riffster]

don't forget she was/is in love with Nemesis

[samurainoir]

My vote is for the Tori Black Wonder Woman Porn, at least she will be wearing the correct uniform. Maybe the title should be turned over to the writter of that movie.

P.S. It's about timeWonder Woman got popped, it has even recently been implied she was a Virgin, all the heroes are having sex, why not her, she is a woman with meeds and desires. have her meet some one and have sex in the comics as well.

I think this is the main difficulty with Wonder Woman both as the contemporary cultural representation of Femininity/Feminism and her sexual identity. Both are constantly shifting ideals.

As much as she was the Icon which headlined Gloria Steinam's MS-centric feminism of the 60's and 70's, we are now in a period just beyond Third Wave Feminism, or even what is considered Post-Feminism to many.

I know in some ways you are being facetious and provocative MEMEGO (it takes one to know one ), but the idea of WW getting "popped" as you phrase it discounts so much of the subtext and context in which she has been created and appropriated, by a less-narrow view on sexuality. There is strong evidence of Wonder Woman's bisexual/lesbian/polyamourous undercurrent, particularly when you examine the personal life of her creator William Moulton Marston and the pre-feminism he espoused. I am also constantly astounded at how much more relevant Wonder Woman seems to be within the GLB Community these days than traditional Feminist circles. (I say this knowing that the streets will be filled with Wonder Woman costumes this weekend as Toronto celebrates it's PRIDE week).

[ctc]

Hmmmm....

That’s pretty underwhelming. It DOES look like an attempt to “real” it up, which is really stupid, ‘cos you’re talking about a woman who can fly and throw a tank. “Real” isn’t a big concern. On top of that, with the pseudo Knight-Saber hardsuit leggings and them weird shoulderpads everyone has it makes her less distinct.

>he wanted her to look strong “without screaming, ‘I’m a superhero.’ ”

Yeah.... like that. She IS a superhero, dim-bulb! It’s like all the crappy sci-fi shows and movies of the last decade that try really hard to distract you from the fact that they’re sci-fi. Why bother.

And worse; she’s got the same head EVERY Jim Lee.... sorry; MR. Lee.... character has, making her even more indistinct and unrecognizable.

>This proves that DC is a rudderless ship now.

Sad thing; I think they have TOO MUCH leadership. This sort of thing smacks of marketing, instead of story.... something that comes from higher up, where folks have “3 year plans” and “mass media synergy” and such.

Don C.