Green Arrow Talk ( Spoilers )

[BlackKnight]

I think it was a "given" that he'd be hooked on the junk again....Now there's an original idea for ya...

I haven't gotten issue 2 yet ..., so I know he's battling "The Urge" ..., but has yet too , do so.

[The Toyroom]

Since his Return..., I have read almost everything.
I find the character in General a serious Bore Snooze Fest.
Wally's Spider-man-esque Crap talking was always just so fun imo.
Based on what I read so far ..., I think Barry shoulda just stayed Lost.

Like I said, it's not the same Barry....to me, the Barry Allen Flash is something different than what is being portrayed right now...they are trying to shoehorn him into the modern day DCU and that's causing them to approach the character differently than he was in the past.

Pre-Trial for the Death of Zoom, Barry was a fun, smart character to read. But once they added the soap opera element and all of the angst and death (which actually started with Iris' "death"), then Barry wasn't fun anymore. He got a nice send-off in Crisis on Infinite Earths...

Which is probably how it should have stayed....I was a big proponent for the revival of Barry Allen, but I am currently thinking it was a mistake. They don't know how to write the character...he's lost his Silver Age shine in essence.
I diligently followed Rebirth but I didn't hit on all cylinders for me. I'm not sure I will be picking up his ongoing simply because I'm not a fan of Francis Manapul's artwork. Geoff Johns is going to have to write one helluva bunch of stories for me to look past the artwork....right now I have my doubts.

[BlackKnight]

Manapul's Art work , to me doesn't gel well with the Flash. The Wrong Style for the character imo. Something seems off . He shoulda stayed on Adventure imo.

[The Toyroom]

^ Yeah it definitely is the wrong style for the Flash....Which I don't understand, on Rebirth, Ethan Van Sciver redesigned the way Flash's speed looks....sorta like he did with Green Lantern on that Rebirth with the hologram emblems. So why go with an artist on the regular series who doesn't fit with that redesign?

[Earth 2 Chris]

So what was the point of all that "Fall of Green Arrow" business? Couldn't they have spun Ollie into a new direction without all of that collateral damage? I mean, Dinah could be in Birds and still be married to Ollie.

Going back to Roy's drug use is just stupid. It hasn't been touched in 30 years.

I fully expect Oracle to be up and walking and then get gang raped and blown up.

Chris

[BlackKnight]

Going back to Roy's drug use is just stupid. It hasn't been touched in 30 years.

Well,

Considering that DC rolled back over 20 yrs , to the "Good Cop, Bad Cop" nonsense in Batman and Robin, which was already written with Bruce and Jason , Just more sevre this time around, I can see why, I suppose.

Roy has yet to actually shoot up just yet ..., but he has been pill popping since he's been awake.

[boynightwing]

Roy did get his arm ripped off, then had his daughter killed. I could see him doing some drugs. Especially if he has an addiction. The temptation to use after events like that would be pretty great.

[thunderbolt]

Well,

Considering that DC rolled back over 20 yrs , to the "Good Cop, Bad Cop" nonsense in Batman and Robin, which was already written with Bruce and Jason , Just more sevre this time around, I can see why, I suppose.

Roy has yet to actually shoot up just yet ..., but he has been pill popping since he's been awake.

not sure why its nonsense, its a reversal of the same dynamic that Batman and Robin always had, Batman big and scary and Robin not so much.

[madmarva]

It's like they made Ollie the "O.J." of the DC Universe. Everyone knows he's guilty but they set him free. Really a cop out.

But they had to do something to split him and Black Canary up so she could go back to Birds of Prey.

While all my previous guesses about the direction of Green Arrow have been wrong, I think he's going to run around in that big star-shaped forest that grew up to replace the portions of Star City that were destroyed by Prometheus' bomb in"Brightest Day" No. 0.

Like a modern day Robin Hood. Outlaw hero, wanted by the law. Maybe he'll get some merry men? Who knows?

I'd love to see Grell take over Green Arrow, particularly the art. A Nice Hal and Ollie arc with his art would be fantastic to me.

Look DC is at its wits end to try to make some of its B or C list characters compelling enough to carry their own series.

While GA has had a series of some sort ever since Longbow Hunters, I just don't believe he's a durable enough character to carry a series year after year. DC has to try stunts like getting him married and now breaking up the marriage and making him an outlaw to try to keep it interesting.

I like GA, but really more as a back-up character than the star. To me he's always been the best as the human conscious of the JLA.

[The Toyroom]

I just don't believe he's a durable enough character to carry a series year after year.....I like GA, but really more as a back-up character than the star. To me he's always been the best as the human conscious of the JLA.

I agree...if Justice League of America was the only place I could get a my monthly "fix" of Green Arrow, then so be it. Everybody in the JLA does not have to be an A-lister and carry their own series.

That being said, I'm interested in what Paul Dini does with Zatanna in her new ongoing monthly....

And of course, the JLA title itself has been a mess for a long time...In fact, since the Brad Meltzer relaunch it's pretty much been dragging along with one new team after another. Best to put the title out of its current James Robinson misery and hold off until Geoff Johns and Jim Lee are ready for their reboot with the classic satellite line-up (so rumors say).

[boynightwing]

I'd like a JLA title that isn't affected by DC continuity. In my opinion that's what ruins it each time. The JLA writers have to adjust to whats going on in other places and it effects their story.
Maybe two titles. One in continuity, one not?

[madmarva]

I agree with both of you on the JLA. To me, it should be an event comic each month, to a certain extent.

While I enjoy continuity to a degree, as mentioned by others, books like the JLA are hampered whenthey has to reflect the monthly ins and outs of other titles.

This has only been a concern really since Crisis. I've never really felt that a comic series displayed every event that ever happened to characters. Things don't have to fit seamlessly together for me to enjoy them. But that's just me.

But, honestly, Justice League should be DC's major title. If anything the rest of the DCU should have to reflect it rather than the other way around. But I feel titles should be given the general freedom to be all they can be on their own within reason.

Obviously, now that Pa Kent has died in the Superman book, he doesn't need to be teaming up with Robin to stop a tractor-theft ring, but would it really have harmed the DCU if Superman had been used in JLA the last year and half while the Krypton storyline was going on? It might have given some people a reason to pick up the JLA book.



I liked the most recent issue of JLA that dealt with the Starheart, but it didn't really seem like the JLA, more like a titans spin-off of some sort.

[samurainoir]

not sure why its nonsense, its a reversal of the same dynamic that Batman and Robin always had, Batman big and scary and Robin not so much.

I'm of the opinion that Dick as Batman kind of has that 50's/Adam West Batman vibe to it in some ways. We have a Batman that genuinely likes what he's doing and seems to find some joy in it. Damian's a great foil.