Why does Batman have a better Rogues Gallery than Superman?

[The Toyroom]

^ You're nuts!

[huedell]

^ You're nuts!

Yeah...I'm nuts because I passionately think Lex, MYX, BRAINIAC, TOYMAN,
METALLO, PHANTOM ZONE VILLAINS and BIZARRO can't be beat---
-r---iii----iiight.

I'm not your typical comicbookfan that fawns over Batman and Flash's baddies
----I don't get the greater appeal than Supes' guys....just don't get it.

THE JOKER may be my favorite DCU villain, but there's a dropoff there
in Bats' gallery with PENGUIN, RIDDLER etc. that just gets buried
by SUPES top villain roster...okay CATWOMAN's notable....I'll give ya that.

[The Toyroom]

Ask the man on the street to name 5 Superman villains and I bet he can't get past Lex Luthor....Ask the same guy to name 5 Batman villains and he'll give you 10 (Joker, Riddler, Catwoman, Penguin, Two-Face, King Tut*, Egghead*, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn)

* yeah they're from the '66 TV show but they transcend that in the public's consciousness.

[huedell]

Ask the man on the street to name 5 Superman villains and I bet he can't get past Lex Luthor....Ask the same guy to name 5 Batman villains and he'll give you 10 (Joker, Riddler, Catwoman, Penguin, Two-Face, King Tut*, Egghead*, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn)

* yeah they're from the '66 TV show but they transcend that in the public's consciousness.

I never argued that Bat-villains weren't popular (that would be stupid)....
...just never understood the extreme love for them by more
extreme comicbook fans....like the ones that post here...
who will, at the same time, devalue Superman's gallery---
I like Supes' arch villains better----by a longshot.

[The Toyroom]

But that's the thing....if Superman's foes were BETTER they'd be more POPULAR. People don't usually like things that suck (Unless it's Superman III )

(Relax....just kiddin' witcha)

[The Toyroom]

And don't get me wrong...I think Supes' Rogues Gallery has LOTS of potential....unfortunately it doesn't seem like writers know how to accomplish that.

[huedell]

But that's the thing....if Superman's foes were BETTER they'd be more POPULAR.

Like Britney Spears and carnival fried food?

Okay....um....sure.

People don't usually like things that suck....

If you think it sucks then that's your perogative...
My first post was about how "I" thought it was the best rogues gallery...
not you, nor the masses who I realize aren't very aware of BIZARRO
and BRAINIAC and MYX et al.........I think its a shame because I think
they bury PENGUIN, RIDDLER, TWO FACE, etc..

[ctc]

Hmmmm....

I think I can settle this. WHO has the best rogues gallery? Judge Dredd, of course!

You're welcome.

Don C.

[thunderbolt]

Yeah...I'm nuts because I passionately think Lex, MYX, BRAINIAC, TOYMAN,
METALLO, PHANTOM ZONE VILLAINS and BIZARRO can't be beat---
-r---iii----iiight.

I'm not your typical comicbookfan that fawns over Batman and Flash's baddies
----I don't get the greater appeal than Supes' guys....just don't get it.

THE JOKER may be my favorite DCU villain, but there's a dropoff there
in Bats' gallery with PENGUIN, RIDDLER etc. that just gets buried
by SUPES top villain roster...okay CATWOMAN's notable....I'll give ya that.

Hey, I don't get the appeal of Superman III so, I guess we are even.

[samurainoir]

Hey, I don't get the appeal of Superman III so, I guess we are even.

I tend look at it this way... Superman III is a pretty good Richard Pryor movie, but not a very good Superman movie. Just like that episode of I Love Lucy was a pretty awesome episode of I Love Lucy, but you wouldn't necessarily judge it against all the other Superman TV episodes.

But then again, I grew up loving Richard Pryor movies.

[BlackKnight]

^ You're nuts!

I agree.
Hugh needs to actually read Comics.

[huedell]

Hey, I don't get the appeal of Superman III so, I guess we are even.

SUPERMAN III my butt already----are you really serious?
Why everyone has to bring that up when there's a disagreement
is beyond me----sing a new tune already----I don't even LIKE Supes III
all that much-----I just think you guys are too geek-twisted to recognize
it's stronger points and (even more notably) the many other superhero movies'
weaker points.

And if you can't get the strong appeal of BIZARRO, LEX, BRAINIAC, METALLO,
PARASITE etc etc. then, yeah, I can't help you and I don't get you.

[huedell]

I tend look at it this way... Superman III is a pretty good Richard Pryor movie, but not a very good Superman movie. Just like that episode of I Love Lucy was a pretty awesome episode of I Love Lucy, but you wouldn't necessarily judge it against all the other Superman TV episodes.

But then again, I grew up loving Richard Pryor movies.

Don't even get dragged into it.
Everyone round here has to whine about SUPES 3 every time
they disagree with me

[The Toyroom]

Don't even get dragged into it.
Everyone round here has to whine about SUPES 3 every time
they disagree with me

It works don't it?

[The Toyroom]

I agree.
Hugh needs to actually read Comics.

Very true....you can only base so much opinion on childhood memories from the 70s...Granted a lot of the characters are still the basic archetypes they were back then....But when someone that does read the comics (like me) laments how Superman's writers don't know how to handle his Rogues Gallery and that's why they come in 2nd to Batman's (and that's based on reading experience for almost 40 years), it's hard to get that point across from someone (Hugh) who is just remembering how cool they once might have been and doesn't realize how lame they have become.

I gotta say though, Geoff Johns has breathed new life into a few of Supes' enemies so it IS possible to make them terrifying yet again.