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  • thunderbolt
    Hi Ernie!!!
    • Feb 15, 2004
    • 34211

    #31
    More like Deisel punk. I really like the WW2 Ulticap, and hopefully the movie will borrow from it. The original design is great, but I doubt it will transfer well to a movie.
    You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie Banks

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    • TrueDave
      Toy Maker
      • Jan 12, 2008
      • 2343

      #32
      There was a Captain America comic where he and Bucky visted the set of the Serial. He asked the producer why no shield or wings and they said it was easier on the stunt man. I believe it

      Plus the only time we saw ears were in the Salinger 1990s version, and they werent real ears and the wings were a bad idea. Thats how I spotted teh fake human ears on the mask . Cap was sliding under a German truck and one of his wings got caught and the whole side of his mask ear and all moved.

      Down at Orlando Studios Theme park Captain America doesnt have exposed ears. And in my own USAgent costume getting the ears to line up just right were very hard.

      I like the Ulitmate Cap. He was a soldier who shot people. Cap yes, anyone else no.

      what I think really stinks is the main cap comic went adult too. It stinks when I cant give a new comic to my nephews.

      Why not have two? Ultimate adult and regular childrens?

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      • ctc
        Fear the monkeybat!
        • Aug 16, 2001
        • 11183

        #33
        >original design is great, but I doubt it will transfer well to a movie.
        >asked the producer why no shield or wings and they said it was easier on the stunt man.

        It always amazes me; the things they do to superhero costumes in big budget films. I DO think the tights are a convention of the genre, and you muddy things up when you decide to go all "realistic" with the costumes. (And you change the spirit of things.) That said; I've had friends show me pics of cosplayers at different conventions who've made comic-accurate versions of a lot of characters. And if an amateur can do it, why can't a big studio?

        Don C.

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        • kingdom warrior
          OH JES!!
          • Jul 21, 2005
          • 12478

          #34
          Originally posted by ctc
          >original design is great, but I doubt it will transfer well to a movie.
          That said; I've had friends show me pics of cosplayers at different conventions who've made comic-accurate versions of a lot of characters. And if an amateur can do it, why can't a big studio?

          Don C.
          Because Cosplayers stand around posing and taking pictures....movie Superheros have to actually move around in the enviroment and look believable and the Costume has to stay in Place. Batman's Rubber costume was a bit stiff looking until the Last movie when they solved the neck problem

          Vampirella's costume wouldn't work in a movie because her boobs would pop out every time.....

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          • thunderbolt
            Hi Ernie!!!
            • Feb 15, 2004
            • 34211

            #35
            Imagine a Wolverine movie in a yellow spandex suit. There are some characters that work better in a straightforward costume translation like Superman and Spidey, the XMen and Cap need to be a bit more rugged.
            You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie Banks

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            • Raydeen1
              Persistent Member
              • May 23, 2008
              • 1036

              #36
              You know, I get really tired of people saying that.

              I don't remember EVER reading a post in any forum I visited in the last 10 years where people said the heroes should be wearing spandex. Not one post.

              Who ever said the heroes wore spandex in the comics? That is what people translated it to be. Did spandex even exist in 1939?

              What people want is for the heroes they grew up with to LOOK like the heroes they grew up with. Why couldn't they put Wolverine in the mask for one scene? I am sure it was more because Hugh Jackman wanted his face exposed than it "wouldn't translate well". That arguent is weak.

              If I'm going to pay money to see Captain America, I want him to LOOK like Captain America. Granted the Sallinger movie costume didn't look very good but it was wrong from the get go. Thin rubber, no chain mail, fake ears.... The wings looked ok. They also had a very low budget. Did the Flash's costume look like spandex on the John Wesley Shipp show? Did it translate well?

              I like the idea of the WW2 Cap outfit but it should only be shown in the scenes from the war. When he's thawed out, he should get the classic red, white and blue uni. The chain mail makes sense and could even be updated to be kevlar under the chainmail and so on.

              If they're going to change him, they might as well use that gawdawful costume with the motorcycle helmet from those 70s movies.

              Originally posted by thunderbolt
              Imagine a Wolverine movie in a yellow spandex suit. There are some characters that work better in a straightforward costume translation like Superman and Spidey, the XMen and Cap need to be a bit more rugged.

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              • The Bat
                Batman Fanatic
                • Jul 14, 2002
                • 13412

                #37
                Originally posted by Raydeen1
                If I'm going to pay money to see Captain America, I want him to LOOK like Captain America.

                Hell yeah Brother...I'm with ya!!
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                • thunderbolt
                  Hi Ernie!!!
                  • Feb 15, 2004
                  • 34211

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Raydeen1
                  You know, I get really tired of people saying that.

                  I don't remember EVER reading a post in any forum I visited in the last 10 years where people said the heroes should be wearing spandex. Not one post.

                  Who ever said the heroes wore spandex in the comics? That is what people translated it to be. Did spandex even exist in 1939?

                  What people want is for the heroes they grew up with to LOOK like the heroes they grew up with. Why couldn't they put Wolverine in the mask for one scene? I am sure it was more because Hugh Jackman wanted his face exposed than it "wouldn't translate well". That arguent is weak.

                  If I'm going to pay money to see Captain America, I want him to LOOK like Captain America. Granted the Sallinger movie costume didn't look very good but it was wrong from the get go. Thin rubber, no chain mail, fake ears.... The wings looked ok. They also had a very low budget. Did the Flash's costume look like spandex on the John Wesley Shipp show? Did it translate well?

                  I like the idea of the WW2 Cap outfit but it should only be shown in the scenes from the war. When he's thawed out, he should get the classic red, white and blue uni. The chain mail makes sense and could even be updated to be kevlar under the chainmail and so on.

                  If they're going to change him, they might as well use that gawdawful costume with the motorcycle helmet from those 70s movies.
                  Go back and read my quote again, I said there are characters that would work better in copies from the comcs and somethat don't. Wolvie in yellow never worked for me in comics if its spandex or not. Superman works fine as is, like Spidey. Cap needs to be a bit more rugged looking than a painted on costume.
                  You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie Banks

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                  • The Bat
                    Batman Fanatic
                    • Jul 14, 2002
                    • 13412

                    #39
                    Johnston Talks Captain America Costume:

                    Johnston Talks Captain America Costume - Superhero Hype!

                    And the Red Skull Confirmed as Captain America Villain! Plus the story takes place mostly in WW2!

                    Red Skull Confirmed as Captain America Villain - Superhero Hype!
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                    • Raydeen1
                      Persistent Member
                      • May 23, 2008
                      • 1036

                      #40
                      Mmm hmmm. Well what about the brown/beige/black version then?

                      Originally posted by thunderbolt
                      Go back and read my quote again, I said there are characters that would work better in copies from the comcs and somethat don't. Wolvie in yellow never worked for me in comics if its spandex or not. Superman works fine as is, like Spidey. Cap needs to be a bit more rugged looking than a painted on costume.

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                      • Raydeen1
                        Persistent Member
                        • May 23, 2008
                        • 1036

                        #41
                        Sorry Tbolt, not trying to pick on you, just I've read statements like yours before discussing the Xmen movies and so on...

                        Exactly WHY wouldn't Cap's outfit traslate well? Can you elaborate? I mean surely if they can make a vibranium/adamantium shield and a super soldier, they can find SOME way to make the wings stay in place...

                        Originally posted by thunderbolt
                        More like Deisel punk. I really like the WW2 Ulticap, and hopefully the movie will borrow from it. The original design is great, but I doubt it will transfer well to a movie.

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                        • Raydeen1
                          Persistent Member
                          • May 23, 2008
                          • 1036

                          #42
                          Sounds bit like that new Phantom show and the kid saying he won't wear the costume... Don't think I much care for this.
                          Originally posted by The Bat
                          Johnston Talks Captain America Costume:

                          Johnston Talks Captain America Costume - Superhero Hype!

                          And the Red Skull Confirmed as Captain America Villain! Plus the story takes place mostly in WW2!

                          Red Skull Confirmed as Captain America Villain - Superhero Hype!

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                          • ctc
                            Fear the monkeybat!
                            • Aug 16, 2001
                            • 11183

                            #43
                            >movie Superheros have to actually move around in the enviroment and look believable and the Costume

                            A lot of the Japanese cosplayers do skits comperable to what an action film actor would have to do. (Maybe not a Jackie Chan.... but more than an Arnie.) And they wear those things all day. Film crews can touch stuff up as neccessary.

                            >Vampirella's costume wouldn't work in a movie because her boobs would pop out every time

                            Think of the extra sales on disk from the outtakes alone. (Besides, that's why they invented spirit gum.)

                            It seems that a lot of the changes are to add "detail" to the costumes, and make 'em more movie-visual. (Like the Spiderman raised webbing, or Superman's textured rubber tights.) But I gotta wonder if that's NECCESSARY. N. America has this weird fetish about mucking with stuff.

                            Don C.

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                            • kingdom warrior
                              OH JES!!
                              • Jul 21, 2005
                              • 12478

                              #44
                              Wouldn't Superhero Costumes from 1938 till the 60's be made out of wool??? If Heros actually existed??? Didn't Superman,Batman,Captain Marvel,Captain America,Flash Gordon and The Phantom all have Wool costumes in their movies??

                              I always thought Golden age heroes wore Wool costumes.....

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                              • ctc
                                Fear the monkeybat!
                                • Aug 16, 2001
                                • 11183

                                #45
                                >Wouldn't Superhero Costumes from 1938 till the 60's be made out of wool???

                                It depends on the character, and how you want to play it. There's no real analogue for a classic superhero suit: they're pretty much painted nekkid people. ('Cos that was a lot easier to draw.) Spandex gets mentioned a lot 'cos that's the closest real world equivalent. (Without going the body paint route.)

                                Don C.

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