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  • The Toyroom
    The Packaging King
    • Dec 31, 2004
    • 16653

    #16
    Seriously though.....Just tell me a good story. I don't care if it's Spider-Man facing off against the Green Goblin for a 3-issue story or Spider-Man helping regular folk in their daily lives for one issue.

    Just tell me a good story. Everything doesn't have to have subplots that drag on for all eternity (Chris Claremont on X-Men was notorious it seems for this and the pay-offs were a long time coming. How long was it before we found out who the 3rd Summers brother was? )

    Just tell me a good story. What happens in Metropolis, STAYS in Metropolis and doesn't have to effect Gotham City or Star City or Ivy Town on a continous basis. A cross-over should be a special story, a treat, a rare instance....not a monthly expectation. To paraphrase Syndrome...."When everything is super, nothing will be"

    Just tell me a good story. There doesn't need to be this constant character growth and pushing the envelope. Batman is Batman and will always be Batman (but whether he'll be Bruce Wayne or not is another matter apparently )

    Just tell me a good story. Death should not be a revolving door. Why is "The Night Gwen Stacy Died" a landmark story? Because it was unique at the time....Gwen wasn't resurrected by the High Evolutionary as a clone a few months later. What? Oh it was Miles Warren that created a Gwen clone two years later? Hmmmm.....nevermind. Again, to use the Syndrome ideology, when everyone dies and returns, death isn't so special anymore. Thank god Uncle Ben, Bucky and the Waynes are still dead. Hmmm? OK, 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

    Just tell me a good story. Why is Crisis on Infinite Earths a landmark series? One reason is because company-wide cross-overs were a rarity at that time. But COIE begat Legends which begat Millennium which begat Final Night which begat Invasion which begat War of the Gods which begat Zero hour which begat Bloodlines which begat Infinite Crisis which begat Final Crisis which begat Blackest Night. And those are the ones I remembered off the top of my head. (I'm trying to forget Secret Wars II)

    Just tell me a good story. The phrase "writing for the trades" has became a death sentence for the comic book as we know it....it's like a drug. Writers are always chasing that next high. Everything has to blow away the previous arc. A stand-alone issue is JUST-NOT-GOOD-ENOUGH anymore. Heaven forbid if there's a stand-alone issue sandwiched in between arcs. How are we going to "trade" it? Does it fit in with the prior arc or the arc following it? Do we not "trade" it altogether? (But we'll later "trade" it as part of an omnibus collection independent of "arc")
    Last edited by The Toyroom; Jan 9, '10, 9:45 AM.
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    • ctc
      Fear the monkeybat!
      • Aug 16, 2001
      • 11183

      #17
      >Every comic story has to be an "arc" and spread out over at least 4-6 issues so it can be collected in a trade.

      Yeah. The irony is; OLD superheroes used to be written as long, continuous arcs, but they’d have resolutions along the way. Usually there’d be a plot/subplot that’d run for 5+ issues, but there’d be ANOTHER plot that’d get wrapped up in one or two. (Found that out reading the Marvel Essentials: Avengers and Fantastic Four.) So the new way isn’t really new; but they make it seem new by giving the overall story a cutesy name. (Thanks again, “Inferno.”) Which bothers me ‘cos.... once again.... it shifts the focus away from the story and onto the marketing. (“No, it’s one big graphic novel worthy story! So buy it all again!”)

      >There doesn't need to be this constant character growth and pushing the envelope.

      Well.... Referring to my earlier point; I think one thing they’ve been getting away from is the second, shorter plot. You don’t get any sense of resolution from the book until the end of the 5, 10, 52 part series. Hence why folks feel caught on a treadmill. (“I got this far but.... OH GHOD!!! WHEN DOES IT END?!!?!!? Wait.... is that.... a team-up with the Inferior Five? NNNNOOOOO!!!!!!!”)

      In a related effect, a lot of newer books PRETEND to have character development, but they don’t. They CAN’T; when at the end everything goes back to “normal,” or just gets redone in next year’s big tie-in. So you don’t get any real sense of growth, or even something happening when all is said and done.

      Don C.

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      • Earth 2 Chris
        Verbose Member
        • Mar 7, 2004
        • 32979

        #18
        Big storylines used to have repercussions. Like the aforementioned Death of Gwen Stacy. That was only over two issues really, but nothing else like it happened in the Spidey books for years, and so it stuck. It affected every character in the book, esp. Peter/Spidey. And there were some good stories after that, and there were subplots, that as CTC pointed out, were developed, and resolved as others came in.

        With a big event happening every 6 issues, there is nothing that stands out. Final Crisis has all but been forgotten as everyone talks about the apparently superior Blackest Night. But FC was touted as the be-all, end-all of all crossovers. Only to be totally subplanted the very next year by the next one.

        I agree with Anthony. Tell a good story. If you think you need 6 issues. Fine. If not, just take one, or two. I remember in the mid 90s, Denny O'Neil decreed an entire year of self-contained stories in all the Bat-mags, and many of them were done-in-one. It was a bold move as the event-epidemic was catching on. Of course, Denny was guilty of giving us Knightfall, Knightquest, Knightsend, Prodigal, Contagion, Legacy, etc.

        Chris
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        • thunderbolt
          Hi Ernie!!!
          • Feb 15, 2004
          • 34211

          #19
          wonder how much longer the floppy has left as a printed book. Within 10 years it will go digital and trades with no printed monthlies.
          You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie Banks

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          • The Toyroom
            The Packaging King
            • Dec 31, 2004
            • 16653

            #20
            ^ Is the digital comic REALLY doing that well? I don't know of anyone that is reading their comics online. Comics are also about the collecting, and you can't do that online. It's a different experience. Marvel seems to be embracing the digital age more than DC and Archie seems to be ahead of them all. And I can't see the monthlies disappear entirely....that's an entire source of revenue that won't be replicated solely by the trades or digital media.
            Think OUTSIDE the Box! For the BEST in Repro & Custom Packaging!

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            • thunderbolt
              Hi Ernie!!!
              • Feb 15, 2004
              • 34211

              #21
              I can see the montlies going away after us old geezers become totally soured on comics. We are the only thing keeping that dinosaur around. I am cutting out all the monthlies right now and just picking up books I want to read instead.
              You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie Banks

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              • BlackKnight
                The DarkSide Customizer
                • Apr 16, 2005
                • 14622

                #22
                Originally posted by thunderbolt
                I am cutting out all the monthlies right now and just picking up books I want to read instead.
                wow ..., No More love for Battle BugMobile , huh ?
                ... The Original Knight ..., Often Imitated, However Never Duplicated. The 1st Knight in Customs.


                always trading for Hot Toys Figures .

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                • thunderbolt
                  Hi Ernie!!!
                  • Feb 15, 2004
                  • 34211

                  #23
                  I'll just get the trade, genius. And yeah, its better than your rainbow color adventure. Trix are for kids.
                  You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie Banks

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                  • BlackKnight
                    The DarkSide Customizer
                    • Apr 16, 2005
                    • 14622

                    #24
                    ^^^ To be Honest ...
                    I can not in no way seriously Entertain the Idea of That Debate with you ....




                    If you don't wanna support your Book anymore, thats fine,.. buy the Trade,.. it IS just More Proof that No One is reading that Nonsense anymore, and them Ratings are rigged.
                    ... The Original Knight ..., Often Imitated, However Never Duplicated. The 1st Knight in Customs.


                    always trading for Hot Toys Figures .

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                    • thunderbolt
                      Hi Ernie!!!
                      • Feb 15, 2004
                      • 34211

                      #25
                      Buying the trade is supporting the book, the money still goes in the same pot. If the sales are rigged for one book, then they are rigged for other(brightly colored) books, too. I am personally tired of paying 4 dollars or more for about 8 pages of story stretched out to 22 pages and having all the floppies laying around. I don't bother bagging the stuff anymore cause it won't be worth squat.
                      You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie Banks

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                      • BlackKnight
                        The DarkSide Customizer
                        • Apr 16, 2005
                        • 14622

                        #26
                        Comics haven't really been worth Squat for Yrs ..., Except a Book here or there,.. or this 1 might command 10 bucks , because it's 1st printing..., or this 1 has a Variant 24.95 Cover ..., or a Sketch Variant. I don't pay full price for a comicbook Now,.. as fas as what's on the Retail Sticker...., I don't think any books been worth full price since the 80's. ... Or atleast I can get them for less.
                        ... The Original Knight ..., Often Imitated, However Never Duplicated. The 1st Knight in Customs.


                        always trading for Hot Toys Figures .

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                        • ctc
                          Fear the monkeybat!
                          • Aug 16, 2001
                          • 11183

                          #27
                          >wonder how much longer the floppy has left as a printed book.

                          A long time. Got to a bookstore and look for "Prince of Tennis." (33 VOLUMES! Of a GUY PLAYING TENNIS!!!!)

                          >It was a bold move as the event-epidemic was catching on.

                          One of the selling points of "Babylon 5" was the whole "story arc" thing. I remember sci-fi geeks losing fluids HUGE over the idea it was one big story. I think it slowly infected ALL the nerdly arts, and superhero comics have yet shake it.

                          Don C.

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