BATMAN:Reborn!

[thunderbolt]

Thats really just the Icing on the Cake.
Since Corner Died,.. & Tim's Dad was Killed, & at the Time, Bart Died,.. & Then the Spoiler or whatever her name was,.. Tim has been distancing himself more & More from reality these Last few yrs,.. & Has Become Bruce in so Many Ways.

Now that Conner and Bart are back, will that lighten Tim up a bit??

[The Bat]

Dick "Killed" Him .
He did Not save Him.
Bruce Woulda Saved Him.

Really? Didn't Tommy Elliot(Hush)also "die" the same way in front of Bruce, when he fell of the Bridge.

[The Bat]

That might be some all fine & Dandy new Sales Pitch,... However I personally do not buy any of it. Bruce took Dick in,.. for 1 reason Only. Dick watched his Parents Die infront of his Eyes,.. Same as Bruce. Bruce Felt Sorry for Dick, and felt he needed to Help,.. because he could.

Oh I don't dought any of that...of course he saw himself in Dick Grayson, and felt sorry for him. But I still feel Bruce has always thought of Dick as more than just the Heir to the Wayne Fortune...but as Heir to the Cowl as well.

[bobbait]

I quess the writers are doing there job...all you DC fan boys are talking about it.

[The Toyroom]

That might be some all fine & Dandy new Sales Pitch,... However I personally do not buy any of it. Bruce took Dick in,.. for 1 reason Only. Dick watched his Parents Die infront of his Eyes,.. Same as Bruce. Bruce Felt Sorry for Dick, and felt he needed to Help,.. because he could.

Right....the 8-year old inner child in Bruce Wayne saw a kindred spirit in Dick Grayson due to the tragic events of the Flying Graysons deaths and thought he could help. I don't think it was his Batman persona thinking long-term about a replacement in the case of his demise when he adopted the boy.

[The Toyroom]

I quess the writers are doing there job...all you DC fan boys are talking about it.

It's fine if people are talking about it but if everyone is not BUYING it then they aren't doing their job 100%....word of mouth or spirited debate is good but only if it translates into sales. It's still a business after all....

[Riffster]

Conner's staying in the future as part of Superboy and the Legion, but the reaction from Tim should be cool

[Nostalgiabuff]

how good it is remains to be seen. I just read the first books too. they weren't bad but damien is really annoying. I hope they either "mature" him quickly or kill him off quickly....I am also not sure about Tim as Red Robin. They seem to have had Tim age several years all of a sudden, like he is now in his twenties

[BlackKnight]

Now that Conner and Bart are back, will that lighten Tim up a bit??

I don't think Tim even Knows they are Back...
At the Time of Bruces Death,.. Bart Returned to the Teen Titans,.. with no Tim Present. Conner's in the Future,.. Tim's in the Present.

I don't believe Tim will ever lighten up,.. reguardless of if he finds out the 2 are alive ... DC's written the character Dark,.. & More & More Like Bruce for the Past 2&1/2 + Yrs Since the start of this,.. I think that is just the Direction of the character.

BTW,

Anyone Catch Dan Ditko's rant on Killing Dick in Identity Crisis ? ... He turned it into a Speach of Just How Awesome He is,.. Because He Made Dick Batman instead.

[The Toyroom]

Anyone Catch Dan Ditko's rant on Killing Dick in Identity Crisis ? ... He turned it into a Speach of Just How Awesome He is,.. Because He Made Dick Batman instead.

Yeah I saw that.... Dan DiDio is a ******....please don't confuse him with the legendary Steve Ditko, BK

[BlackKnight]

Yeah I saw that.... Dan DiDio is a ******....please don't confuse him with the legendary Steve Ditko, BK

Sorry,.. I typed it too fast in my mind.

[The Toyroom]

[Earth 2 Chris]

Well, if Ditko was involved, Damian WOULDN'T be Robin, because Ditko's objectivist beliefs would brand him a criminal.

As for Dick letting Blockbuster die, that was during Devin Grayson's run, or as I like to call her, the female Judd Winnick. She totally ruined the Nightwing title, and Dick was grossly out of character for her iwhole run. She even had him raped by the female Tarantula (who was the one who killed Blockbuster, I believe). Most of her output always read as bad fanfic.

Come to think of it, the Batbooks haven't been good in well over 10 years, since Denny O'Neil left, really.

Chris

[The Toyroom]

As for Dick letting Blockbuster die, that was during Devin Grayson's run, or as I like to call her, the female Judd Winnick.

Yeah whatever happened to that chick?

[The Toyroom]

Come to think of it, the Batbooks haven't been good in well over 10 years, since Denny O'Neil left, really.

I think the difference between then and now is that O'Neill (or Julius Schwartz or Len Wein or...) was steering the direction of the Bat titles....nowadays EVERYTHING is an "event" and DiDio seems to be very heavy into the direction of all of these titles. I can't even tell you who the actual editor is today for the Bat-books. Back in the day when you had guys like Dick Giordano in the head seat as editorial V.P. (or whatever the title is) he was more hands off and let the actual books' editors do their job. And "events" were almost unheard off....