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  • samurainoir
    Eloquent Member
    • Dec 26, 2006
    • 18758

    #16
    Originally posted by Earth 2 Chris
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    I can prove that that adage is WRONG. I am as about as Batman-obsessed as a mentally healthy person can be, but I dropped out during the Winnick era, and briefly sampled Morrison's take, and found that it wasn't to my liking (his Club of Heroes story aside). And other than Gaiman's two-parter, and the first issue of "Batman and Robin" I haven't bought a regular Bat-comic since.

    Chris
    Again, we'll see what the new paradigm will be as DC focuses it's efforts on digital, but arguably even if you personally dropped out on an anecdotal level, there are still enough that not only stayed on board, but many jumped on as well since Morrison's run kept at the top of the sales charts through all the Bat-stunts and Bat Events.

    Although we don't have the smaller nuances, I can prove that the adage is RIGHT and has at least a base number of consumers to draw upon that will buy Batman through all his ups and downs which seem to fluctuate between 40,000 and 100,000 in the past ten years.

    So on an extremely generalized scale, that leads us to believe that there are at least 40,000 people who will buy Batman no matter what over the past decade. That's the monthly title, not counting the trade collections, which again represents a shifted paradigm within the past decade or so, now that ALL of the mainline Batman titles get the trade treatment (and thus much more readership).

    You can check out the numbers yourself here...
    ICv2 - ICv2's Top 300 Comics & Top 300 GN's Index

    That's a decades worth of numbers for the direct market monthly Batman title via Diamond's monopoly.


    If you need further proof that your tastes do not exactly reflect those of the average consumer, Morrison's run hovers on the top of the range, generally around 100,000. Apparently those were his X-Men numbers as well as his All Star Superman. Not to mention the Infinite Crisis sales figures.

    So you dropped the title while about 45,000 (twice as many of the Rucka/Winick/etc years) more picked up the Morrison run, and it looks like there are always a certain number that leaves whenever Morrison isn't on the mainline Batman title.

    In fact, these Bat Events even serve to bump up the numbers again each and every time the Morrison numbers start slipping. ie) the Batman and Robin relaunch post Infinite Crisis/Death of Batman.

    Note that we are removing personal taste from the equation and simply looking at the numbers. Whether people "Like" or "Dislike", is not relevant to what we are discussing, which is a baseline number of consumers who will purchase the given title.

    I fully acknowledge that there are many other forces at work here than the numbers can reveal, but it does give us a basis to follow the trending both in terms of characters and creators.

    Which is that Batman never falls below 40,000 readers in this past decade (where the decade started off on the low end of that scale), and Morrison's work on A-list Superhero titles has a dedicated following of about 100,000 (top of the sales charts), although his lower tier superheroes and non superhero work falls way short of that.


    Based on those numbers, that actually ENCOURAGES DC to continue to pull these "Stunts" and also keep Morrison on the Batbooks for as long as he can keep these 100,000 range numbers up for each incarnation and new number #1 issue they give him... from taking the reigns of Batman, over to Batman and Robin #1, through to Search for Bruce Wayne, Batman Inc, and now the upcoming finale series (which will give them yet another Morrison #1 Bat-title... 100,000 sales assured for the monthly pamphlet alone, and many more for the trade and digital).



    My apologies for that avalanche... I am a total marketing wonk, and case-studies like this fascinate me when there is data to mine.
    Last edited by samurainoir; Jun 15, '11, 11:20 PM.
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    • bobws
      Permanent Member
      • Feb 13, 2008
      • 3479

      #17
      I for one hate a total relaunch! however , i understand they want to set up for the next generation of readersw and collectors, i just hope that that generation comes along and buys this mess. because they are alienating the older generation of readers.

      I'm all for starting up a new universe that starts now and is this generations beginning, but they should also left a few titles for the older generation to continue to collect. this is DC doing what it did back in 1956-1961 when they switched over to the silver age, they're just trying to force the process this time. They also seem to be trying to bring about a resurgance of other genre's so they can say they have widened thier audience. i don't see most of those going anywhere. I mainly only buy 2 books and i don't see that changing anytime soon
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      • madmarva
        Talkative Member
        • Jul 7, 2007
        • 6445

        #18
        I did make it there and I wanted to meet you too.

        I'm pretty sure we were sitting about 3 feet away from each other, during a portion of Austin's presentation at the table where Scott (Random Axe) was painting the Abomination head, but I didn't realize that until later at the infamous Undo's dinner when I asked a few people if they knew who you were.

        I was the fat guy in the green lantern t-shirt.

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        • boynightwing
          That Carl Guy
          • Apr 24, 2002
          • 3382

          #19
          I come in to this with some ignorance. I've never been a JSA fan really. I haven't read the title beyond one or two issues here and there. They're the Golden Age Heroes for the most part but they still fight crime etc today? It seems out of place to me.

          What if they made the book a period piece? What if it they did a new series that started in like 1938 and it went from there? I personally would be very interested in something like that.

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          • samurainoir
            Eloquent Member
            • Dec 26, 2006
            • 18758

            #20
            Originally posted by madmarva
            I did make it there and I wanted to meet you too.

            I'm pretty sure we were sitting about 3 feet away from each other, during a portion of Austin's presentation at the table where Scott (Random Axe) was painting the Abomination head, but I didn't realize that until later at the infamous Undo's dinner when I asked a few people if they knew who you were.

            I was the fat guy in the green lantern t-shirt.
            That's really a shame! I really dig how articulate you are with our comics chats on the boards and our tastes run similar enough that I'm sure it would have translated quite nicely to the real world.

            Hopefully next year!
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