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  • GoldBlade6
    Museum Super Collector
    • Dec 30, 2007
    • 178

    Collector Line - Collector Expectations

    So, I think it's pretty inarguable that Mattel's Retro-Action line is oriented at collectors. It appeals on a nostalgic level mainly to older collectors who are familiar with the old Mego line, but if Mattel expects this line to be a lasting success, they need to take into consideration some things they seem to have not considered.

    1. Price Point - If one thing kills this line, it will probably be the price point. When Megos came out, they were like $2 and Star Wars figures were like $1. I know times have changed, but $2 in the late 70's was a far cry from $20 today. Further, I walked into a Toys R Us express today, and they had raised the price from a couple days ago from $19.99 to $21.99. They actually put another sticker right over the old price sticker. That's exactly what this line needs - to have its prices raised. Give me a break. These things FLY off the shelves at $9.99, and I'll bet more parents would buy these for their kids at that price, too, and more stores would be willing to carry them. Are these really that expensive to produce? Does Mattel really need that much of a profit that these can't always be priced more reasonably?

    2. Card Condition - If these figures are collector-oriented, which they are (appealing to collectors, placed in the "Collector" aisle at Toys R Us, etc.), and the price point is at a level that Mattel expects collector's to pay, I expect to get an absolute mint, gorgeous, top-dollar package if I'm paying top-dollar cost. However, almost every package I see has damage on it. It could be from store conditions, but I would wager it has to do with the shipping conditions. First, the hang tag has been popped, then the bubble might have a small crush at the bottom, the edges of the card are all bent, etc. I walked into a Toys R Us tonight, and literally every single Sinestro and Luthor (about 5 of each) all had damaged cards. If you're asking me to pay $19.99 or more per figure, I expect to be getting a brand new, perfect condition package. This is a collector product, and the retro-packaging is part of the sell. I expect to get collector-level product for the collector-level price I'm paying. I don't know if there's a way to make the packages more durable or mark the cases they come in "Fragile" or what, but right now, I'm not thrilled. I still don't have a Luthor or Sinestro for this reason.

    3. Card Design - Does anyone know why these cards are so much wider than the original Mego cards? Is it a copyright problem? Is it a legal packaging design requirement? You'd think stores would want smaller packages so these take up less shelf space. I think they would also be more accurate on narrower cards, no? Really, I wish these came in the old-style boxes. Maybe one day...

    4. Chemicals - I really hope these figures don't have color-changing problems like Mego's Mr. Fantastic head or Removable Cowl Batman's head. For those collectors, such as myself, leaving these mint on card, if I ever did decide to open my Batman in the future, I hope his head won't be blue. Already, on some of the figures I've seen, there's some kind of minute, clear liquid beading/droplets inside the bubble. Has anyone else noticed this or is it an isolated incident on a few of the figures I've seen? It makes me wonder what on Earth it could be and what it will mean for the figures' future.

    Sorry for the rant, but I really loved Megos, and this line is pretty cool, but it could be better pretty easily, and I worry that Mattel is going to run it into the ground like it did with DC Infinite Heroes, where they expected people to pay the same price for those figures as you would for a G.I. Joe or Marvel Universe figure which had better sculpts, more accessories and twice the articulation.

    Anyone have any similar thoughts or concerns, or am I being an unreasonable consumer?
  • Blue Meanie
    Talkative Member
    • Jun 23, 2001
    • 8706

    #2
    Only thing I have to say is this...It's a Toy. Rip it off the card and have fun with it.
    "When not too many people can see we're all the same
    And because of all their tears,
    Their eyes can't hope to see
    The beauty that surrounds them
    Isn't it a pity".

    - "Isn't It A Pity"
    By George Harrison


    My Good Buyers/Sellers/Traders list:
    Good Traders List - Page 80 - Mego Talk

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    • ODBJBG
      Permanent Member
      • May 15, 2009
      • 3200

      #3
      You're pretty right on target with your analysis. Although it won't be a popular opinion around here.

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      • HardyGirl
        Mego Museum's Poster Girl
        • Apr 3, 2007
        • 13949

        #4
        Originally posted by Blue Meanie
        Only thing I have to say is this...It's a Toy. Rip it off the card and have fun with it.
        Amen and pass the biscuits!
        "Do you believe, you believe in magic?
        'Cos I believe, I believe that I do,
        Yes, I can see I believe that it's magic
        If your mission is magic your love will shine true."

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        • megomania
          Persistent Member
          • Jan 2, 2010
          • 2175

          #5
          Oh no....here we go....

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          • MegoSteve
            Superman's Pal
            • Jun 17, 2005
            • 4135

            #6
            Just to address the price point argument yet again, of course they'd sell better at $9.99, but the problem is that these things are a niche item made in relatively small quantity, and Mattel, its retailers and whoever else has their thumb in the pie just cannot make money at that point. While I'd agree $19.99 seems like a high price when you compare it to something like a mass-market Barbie, $19.99 isn't high when you go down a few rows and see DCUC selling at $14.99, JLU selling at $8.99, and Star Wars selling at $7.99.

            The real problem with the line isn't the price... it's the crappy design choices and low quality, starting with the lousy body foisted on the line by Mattel. With every wave, the Mattel Retro line feels more and more like a squandered opportunity, especially when I see someone like Craig at Zica who doesn't have the budget or the resources Mattel does, yet manages to blow Mattel out of the water completely by simply paying careful attention to design detail. I mean, look at the pictures that are flying around of the Shazam/Black Adam wave and look at the first two Buck Rogers characters. The difference should embarrass Mattel. (And, yes, I know that Zica's figures are $35 and Mattel's are $20, but even if you strip them naked and ignore the elaborate, high quality costuming, accessories and even paint ops on Zica's product, the difference in sculpting and body design quality would still be pretty obvious.)

            It is just so disheartening, because an 8" superhero line is something Mego fans like me have been dreaming of for over 20 years, but the Mattel Retros are just so bad...
            Last edited by MegoSteve; Dec 20, '10, 1:03 AM.

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            • GoldBlade6
              Museum Super Collector
              • Dec 30, 2007
              • 178

              #7
              Originally posted by MegoSteve
              ...the problem is that these things are a niche item made in relatively small quantity...
              Of course, you are right, but I wonder if Mattel ever tried to sell these to Target and Walmart so that they could produce more and lower the overall cost per item. Does anyone know the history of getting this line into production?

              Originally posted by MegoSteve
              ...starting with the lousy body foisted on the line by Mattel.
              I know people think the body is lousy (I think it's ok, but the thighs look a little big), but isn't this just a standard Mego-like body? The kind that Dr. Mego has always offered?

              Originally posted by MegoSteve
              ...look at the first two Buck Rogers characters. The difference should embarrass Mattel.
              I saw a preview for Flash Gordon retro figures on BBTS.com and they look pretty cool for less than $40 for the set!

              http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/p...48&mode=retail

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              • johnmiic
                Adrift
                • Sep 6, 2002
                • 8427

                #8
                Originally posted by GoldBlade6
                Of course, you are right, but I wonder if Mattel ever tried to sell these to Target and Walmart so that they could produce more and lower the overall cost per item. Does anyone know the history of getting this line into production?
                You should read up older posts in this forum. I'm sure Dr.Mego has discussed this in some detail.


                Originally posted by GoldBlade6
                I know people think the body is lousy (I think it's ok, but the thighs look a little big), but isn't this just a standard Mego-like body? The kind that Dr. Mego has always offered?
                Mattel wanted their own body. They couldn't use Dr.Megos for copyright reasons. Mattel's has some problems standing but they are looking into fixing it.

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                • MIB41
                  Eloquent Member
                  • Sep 25, 2005
                  • 15633

                  #9
                  Check out Wave 3. The fixes are in and the line is measurably improved. I think the message was received and I'm looking forward to 2011. With the additional waves and the Green Lantern exclusives on Matty, this should be a good year for Reto Action and EMCE

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                  • PeterRR
                    Museum Super Collector
                    • Jun 2, 2008
                    • 181

                    #10
                    Originally posted by MegoSteve

                    The real problem with the line isn't the price... it's the crappy design choices and low quality, starting with the lousy body foisted on the line by Mattel. With every wave, the Mattel Retro line feels more and more like a squandered opportunity, especially when I see someone like Craig at Zica who doesn't have the budget or the resources Mattel does, yet manages to blow Mattel out of the water completely by simply paying careful attention to design detail..)

                    It is just so disheartening, because an 8" superhero line is something Mego fans like me have been dreaming of for over 20 years, but the Mattel Retros are just so bad...
                    I agree 100% mattel could have done a better job. I'm glad Zica is making the Buck Rogers line. With I money I save in not buying any of the retro mattel I bought some Amazing custom 8" figures and they all look great with great detail in head scuplt and Uniform and he even made some custom body parts thanks Mattel for making crappy figures you save us money,

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                    • chalwa
                      Mego Philomath
                      • Jun 8, 2007
                      • 592

                      #11
                      Sorry guys, but I'm happy.
                      Seeing these in the stores under any circumstances is a wonderful opportunity for me and my son to purchase a mego-ish figure together. That means more to me than any future value, card condition, etc.
                      I do understand many of you are not happy but a few years ago just being able to get repro parts was a cause to celebrate.
                      I open them up, play with them with my son and even break 'em if play gets rough.
                      Even at $20 a pop.
                      His thing is Star Wars but he is getting excited about the megos I have mainly from seeing them in the store and being able pick out what he likes. I suppose I am coming from a different place from some of you but I feel saying they are so bad (they are not) and a missed opportunity just misses the point.
                      We have a new product out there that is being spurred on by people who love the same things we do here at the museum. If we support it, who knows what it may become? It ain't perfect but the potential for more is there. Things have gotten better. I understand that the figures are improved from their original outing. Perhaps with our united support the prices will go down and the quality will go up.
                      At least we have the product and the choice to buy or not.
                      Chalwa AKA The Pre-Crisis Chris

                      Chris' Blogs:
                      The Misadventures of Captain Blog
                      Comic Book Fanzines: Chain Letters for Disturbed Children


                      When I am grown to man's estate,
                      I shall be very proud and great.
                      And tell the other girls and boys,
                      not to meddle with my toys.
                      -Robert Louis Stevenson

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                      • GoldBlade6
                        Museum Super Collector
                        • Dec 30, 2007
                        • 178

                        #12
                        I've seen about 6 Captain Colds now but not a single one that doesn't have a nose rub from the packaging. I'm finding it really hard to find satisfactory production pieces in this line.

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                        • Audiorij
                          Museum Super Collector
                          • Nov 6, 2009
                          • 151

                          #13
                          This TOY LINE is great as is, there is always room for improvement, but price point is reasonable, the quality is reasonable and design is reasonable considering the goal which I think they accomplished.

                          People that don't like the body, the character choices, the packaging, the design, the price, the availability, the sculpts, and so on and so on... should maybe try looking at a different line or put the work into creating one of their own and see how well that does.
                          Last edited by Audiorij; Feb 15, '11, 6:47 PM.
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                          • LOU
                            Museum FIN-atic
                            • Nov 20, 2003
                            • 2771

                            #14
                            The very toy line these are paying homage to also had nose rubs, factory defects, body flaws, etc. That same toy line also evolved through two different body styles too though, Type I and Type II. We're only in early waves of these Retro Heroes. The early Wave 1 body problems have already been fixed anyway. I don't open mine though so I have no idea, I'm just going on what folks have said, that Mattel fixed the bodies relatively quick.
                            So if they "fixed" everything everyone wanted them to, packaging, sculpts, etc, how closely would they resemble Mego at that point? We've had 30-something years to get used to Mego's own flaws so we don't notice them much anymore; we need to give Mattel a chance here. 4 Waves is hardly enough time to work out every bug. That's why the only thing about this line that I've ever complained about was character selection regarding the GL "Wave 4.5", something that has nothing to do with any kind of production evolution. Aside from that, the other complaints about card design, nose rubs, body issues, etc...sounds exactly how it should to me...like the toy line being homaged...like Mego itself.

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                            • TrueDave
                              Toy Maker
                              • Jan 12, 2008
                              • 2343

                              #15
                              I wont see any DC horror characters so I skip the line.

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