Any Photos Of Retro Heroes Wave 3 Yet?

[Lynn TXP 0369]

l In fact, it's killed a great deal of interest I had in this line knowing we won't see any more Batfamily characters for such a huge span of time. I hate to say it but a DC line needs to cater to the Bat-fans, somewhat. Batman and Two-Face are a great start but then nothing "Bat" for a year or so is a huge blow.

I totally agree. I see only about half of these that I know and I will get, mostly SF related or BM related. By knowing that anymore Batman related figures won't show up until a minimum of wave 5 will be bad and I hope the line doesn't tank before they make Robin.
Lynn

[saildog]

I don't want to be contentious, but wasn't part of our initial excitement based on the fact that we were going to see figures that Mego never made?

Why is it so tragic, then, that Martian Manhunter shows up before Robin? That is what this is boiling down to.

Let's consider what IS showing up. Flash: No one seems to be disagreeing. Wonder Woman: Nothing wrong with that choice. Shazam!: Great choice.

Now, we have the natural pairing of Hero/Villain. That means Captain Cold, Cheetah, and Black Adam are following suit. Reasonable choices for Villians, given the Hero produced.

With that in mind, the disappointment seems to be focused on Martian Manhunter and Darkseid. That is two of eight figures. Neither were made by Mego, but both are relevant to comics and have been in recent DC Animated stuff.

While these might be out of the order expected, are they really bad choices?

[livnxxxl]

I find it odd there's no Robin yet.

This may be because Mattel knows that everyone will be expecting Robin sooner or later. After all what is Batman without Robin? This is their way of changing things up and keeping us guessing.

[CrimsonGhost]

I don't want to be contentious, but wasn't part of our initial excitement based on the fact that we were going to see figures that Mego never made?

Why is it so tragic, then, that Martian Manhunter shows up before Robin? That is what this is boiling down to.

Let's consider what IS showing up. Flash: No one seems to be disagreeing. Wonder Woman: Nothing wrong with that choice. Shazam!: Great choice.

Now, we have the natural pairing of Hero/Villain. That means Captain Cold, Cheetah, and Black Adam are following suit. Reasonable choices for Villians, given the Hero produced.

With that in mind, the disappointment seems to be focused on Martian Manhunter and Darkseid. That is two of eight figures. Neither were made by Mego, but both are relevant to comics and have been in recent DC Animated stuff.

While these might be out of the order expected, are they really bad choices?

I like the way you think, sir!!

[MIB41]

I don't want to be contentious, but wasn't part of our initial excitement based on the fact that we were going to see figures that Mego never made?

Why is it so tragic, then, that Martian Manhunter shows up before Robin? That is what this is boiling down to.

Let's consider what IS showing up. Flash: No one seems to be disagreeing. Wonder Woman: Nothing wrong with that choice. Shazam!: Great choice.

Now, we have the natural pairing of Hero/Villain. That means Captain Cold, Cheetah, and Black Adam are following suit. Reasonable choices for Villians, given the Hero produced.

With that in mind, the disappointment seems to be focused on Martian Manhunter and Darkseid. That is two of eight figures. Neither were made by Mego, but both are relevant to comics and have been in recent DC Animated stuff.

While these might be out of the order expected, are they really bad choices?

Excellent reasoning and completely on the mark! Honestly, do we really need another Joker or Penguin right now when we're trying to harvest so many classic characters from the DC Universe? Mego made great figures of those characters, but they are simply not as relevant right now as others. Plus you have to consider the market saturation of a villain like the Joker after the Dark Knight movie. I mean does anyone truly need another Joker in his/her collection when their STILL warming peg boards? NOT! It's simply time to start mining the other characters. And remember... these are intended to stand next to the Mego line up. So common reasoning would suggest some new blood is needed to make that final family picture look truly unique.

[Delusional B]

I don't want to be contentious, but wasn't part of our initial excitement based on the fact that we were going to see figures that Mego never made?

Why is it so tragic, then, that Martian Manhunter shows up before Robin? That is what this is boiling down to.

Let's consider what IS showing up. Flash: No one seems to be disagreeing. Wonder Woman: Nothing wrong with that choice. Shazam!: Great choice.

Now, we have the natural pairing of Hero/Villain. That means Captain Cold, Cheetah, and Black Adam are following suit. Reasonable choices for Villians, given the Hero produced.

With that in mind, the disappointment seems to be focused on Martian Manhunter and Darkseid. That is two of eight figures. Neither were made by Mego, but both are relevant to comics and have been in recent DC Animated stuff.

While these might be out of the order expected, are they really bad choices?

I think most of us are very excited at the potential for many characters being made that Mego didn't make. I love having a Lex Luthor and Green Lantern on the shelf right now. With that being said, I don't want lesser-known characters AT THE EXPENSE of more mainstream characters... which is what may happen if the first few waves satiate the nostalgia factor going, currently, and the line has to survive mostly on character releases that will sell well... which may not be there to carry the line if there are too many b-listers.

[Delusional B]

Excellent reasoning and completely on the mark! Honestly, do we really need another Joker or Penguin right now when we're trying to harvest so many classic characters from the DC Universe? Mego made great figures of those characters, but they are simply not as relevant right now as others. Plus you have to consider the market saturation of a villain like the Joker after the Dark Knight movie. I mean does anyone truly need another Joker in his/her collection when their STILL warming peg boards? NOT! It's simply time to start mining the other characters. And remember... these are intended to stand next to the Mego line up. So common reasoning would suggest some new blood is needed to make that final family picture look truly unique.

I think a lot of people, having "cut their teeth" on Megos, look to this Retro-Action line (for right or wrong) as giving them the perfect, quintessential "Mego" versions of the figures they had and didn't have as children. So, it doesn't make much difference to them (me, included) if they already have 35 Joker figures... they're still waiting for the perfect MEGO Joker figure... or Riddler... or Two-Face, or whatever. So, the fact that the characters have been done to death really makes no difference... as long as a "Mego" version of the character hasn't been done to death.

I, for one, will be very disappointed if the line ends before we get slightly updated, new versions of all the Mego characters I loved as a kid. Personally, I can't wait to have a shelf full of Retro-Action Bat-characters. I just hope all the B-listers don't weigh down and end the line before that happens.

...and as a side note, it's more disappointing to me that Mattel is investing resources in a bunch of modern GL characters (so soon) than what characters they've selected for Waves 3 and 4. I wish there were some Bat-characters sprinkled in there but, overall, I'm looking forward to characters like Flash, Shazam, Martian Manhunter, and Darkseid.

[Krypt0nite]

Count me in as VERY excited about Mattel's character choices. I'm much, much more interested in seeing characters that were never made by Mego as opposed to new versions of Megos I already have.

Keep it up, Mattel!

[Shleprok34]

I think all of these figures look fantastic. My only gripe is having to wait til February for more Matty exclusives.

[saildog]

...and as a side note, it's more disappointing to me that Mattel is investing resources in a bunch of modern GL characters (so soon) than what characters they've selected for Waves 3 and 4.

I can understand that, but at least we know that the GL movie release is solely behind that reasoning. As exclusives, they won't lose their butts if they don't sell and if they do well, the pattern will surely be repeated with a future Batman or (hopefully) Superman Movie.

[MIB41]

I think a lot of people, having "cut their teeth" on Megos, look to this Retro-Action line (for right or wrong) as giving them the perfect, quintessential "Mego" versions of the figures they had and didn't have as children. So, it doesn't make much difference to them (me, included) if they already have 35 Joker figures... they're still waiting for the perfect MEGO Joker figure... or Riddler... or Two-Face, or whatever. So, the fact that the characters have been done to death really makes no difference... as long as a "Mego" version of the character hasn't been done to death.

I, for one, will be very disappointed if the line ends before we get slightly updated, new versions of all the Mego characters I loved as a kid. Personally, I can't wait to have a shelf full of Retro-Action Bat-characters. I just hope all the B-listers don't weigh down and end the line before that happens.

...and as a side note, it's more disappointing to me that Mattel is investing resources in a bunch of modern GL characters (so soon) than what characters they've selected for Waves 3 and 4. I wish there were some Bat-characters sprinkled in there but, overall, I'm looking forward to characters like Flash, Shazam, Martian Manhunter, and Darkseid.

I see what your saying, and as a fan of those characters I completely understand your frustration in not seeing them in the initial releases. That being said, you have to look beyond the rationalizations of a fan and see the business end of that approach. If I'm working with Paul and have decision making power at Mattel, as much as I love the Joker, I would not even remotely consider him as viable product for sale right now. That is simply the truth of it. Of course people like you and me would pick him up. But do you honestly think your average kid (who is part of this target group) is going to see a Joker figure and say, "Mommy! Mommy!! There's a Joker!" ...No... The child has no ability to make an historical reference as to why he should think that particular Joker figure is a big deal. The reality is, that child will only glance at the figure and realize he already has a Joker figure at home and that's the end of it. There is no impulse to want a character you have been seeing on shelves for 18 months (at least).

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if we don't see a Riddler or Penguin either. Why? Because those characters could be in play for the next Batman film and Warner Brothers is not going to want the toy market saturated with related merchandise that puts the kill on their movie related product. So, as much as I understand where your coming from, I think you need to realize exactly WHY it is happening. It's because you and me would buy it, but probably no one outside of our group of collectors from that era. And that is why Mattel could not justify mass production of those characters.

[Krypt0nite]

Well, if the Matty exclusives brings me Katma Tui and Tomar-Re I won't complain

[saildog]

Well, if the Matty exclusives brings me Katma Tui and Tomar-Re I won't complain

Me, neither and it reminds me that Mego wouldn't have made Shazam!(Captain Marvel) or Isis if they wouldn't have had the Saturday Morning Shows to back them up. Think of these GL exclusives (and they are separate from Wave 3 and 4) as having the same logic behind them.

[Delusional B]

I see what your saying, and as a fan of those characters I completely understand your frustration in not seeing them in the initial releases. That being said, you have to look beyond the rationalizations of a fan and see the business end of that approach. If I'm working with Paul and have decision making power at Mattel, as much as I love the Joker, I would not even remotely consider him as viable product for sale right now. That is simply the truth of it. Of course people like you and me would pick him up. But do you honestly think your average kid (who is part of this target group) is going to see a Joker figure and say, "Mommy! Mommy!! There's a Joker!" ...No... The child has no ability to make an historical reference as to why he should think that particular Joker figure is a big deal. The reality is, that child will only glance at the figure and realize he already has a Joker figure at home and that's the end of it. There is no impulse to want a character you have been seeing on shelves for 18 months (at least).

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if we don't see a Riddler or Penguin either. Why? Because those characters could be in play for the next Batman film and Warner Brothers is not going to want the toy market saturated with related merchandise that puts the kill on their movie related product. So, as much as I understand where your coming from, I think you need to realize exactly WHY it is happening. It's because you and me would buy it, but probably no one outside of our group of collectors from that era. And that is not enough to justify mass production of those characters.

I can see your point. Maybe I'm seeing this too simplistically, but I think there's a big difference in the selling power of a "Nolan Joker" (which is what I would imagine is the peg clogging offender you mention...even Hot Toys collectors are getting sick of Dark Knight stuff) and a comic or animated version of the Joker. The Comic/Animated versions seem to fly off the shelves. Whether it's DCUC, Infinite Heroes, JLU, Brave and the Bold, or even the little Action League guys, Jokers are very difficult to find because they do sell quickly.

It's too ingrained in people's minds... "I have a Batman, I need a Joker."

I think it's a serious misstep to not release the Joker earlier than later if the longevity of the line is in question at all. I don't know that the line's in danger yet, I just want to see it continue until we all get what we want out of it... and there are lot's of people (just look at the responses today) that REALLY want to see a full gambit of Bat-characters.

... and also, I guess there just doesn't seem to be much holding Mattel back from releasing characters like Joker, Penguin, Riddler, etc. in other lines going like DCUC, Imaginext, etc. So, I guess I don't see a problem with getting them into the Retro-Action line within a reasonable amount of time.

[captact]

Excellent reasoning and completely on the mark! Honestly, do we really need another Joker or Penguin right now when we're trying to harvest so many classic characters from the DC Universe? Mego made great figures of those characters, but they are simply not as relevant right now as others. Plus you have to consider the market saturation of a villain like the Joker after the Dark Knight movie. I mean does anyone truly need another Joker in his/her collection when their STILL warming peg boards? NOT! It's simply time to start mining the other characters. And remember... these are intended to stand next to the Mego line up. So common reasoning would suggest some new blood is needed to make that final family picture look truly unique.

I like the way you think!!!!! and YES!!!! why not get the ones Mego never made,..theres still Mego like Hawkman, Dr. Fate, Plasticman, Bizarro, etc...left to be seen and added to our Mego collections!

Ray