Anyone want Timmverse figures?

[enyawd72]

I ask with all sincerity, do you really like this "re-use" mindset this much? Are two-packs, single packs with different artwork and FFs, so cool that there's no need to address the idea that new WGSH superhero releases are at a crawl?




If this is the future of Mego-like superhero figures, I am, at worst, disgusted---and at least, sorely disappointed.

1. Yes, the fist Fighting Super Powers figures ARE that cool. Best idea EVER.
2. Alfred, Commissioner Gordon, Ra's Al Ghul, Scarecrow, plus three waves of 66 Batman figures are hardly "a crawl".
3. Tons of WGSH being released disgusts and disappoints you? Ummm...you know this is the MEGO Museum right?

[Ivaniski]

I know I'm in the minority, but I truly can't stand Timm's designs and what they did to animation. Ever since, realistically drawn superhero cartoons have been non-existent, and every series that comes out has to have it's own "look".
Timm has gone on record many times as saying his designs are easier to animate...well, that just translates to LAZY as far as I'm concerned.

Whatever happened to drawing people that look like people?

I agree with you. To me Squared looking animated characters, is just like trying to take a short cut (Lazy) into doing a animation film. Although, I respect Timm's design on BTAS and STAS. However, in reference to the "Overall Look.." Ruby Spears' 1988 Superman: was sheer Beauty...for it's time (Why can't they always animated Superman like that for future animated adventures). People looked like people in that short..but loved series..

[huedell]

1. Yes, the fist Fighting Super Powers figures ARE that cool. Best idea EVER.

COMPLETE re-use with fighting arm mechanisms dressed up in new packaging is the best idea EVER? Okay.

2. Alfred, Commissioner Gordon, Ra's Al Ghul, Scarecrow, plus three waves of 66 Batman figures are hardly "a crawl".

Three waves of 66 Batman figures? First off, there's only one that's actually been released. But that's not the bigger issue, which is that 66 Batman figures are unrelated to the WGSH aspect of FTC, if you aren't including TV properties. In other words, Batman 66 is just as involved in the WGSH line as Dukes Of Hazzard are.
Secondly, while Scarecrow is a cool choice... it'll be a while before we'd eve have access to him. Is there even a prototype pic of him yet?
Alfred, Commissioner Gordon, Ra's Al Ghul? They're all guys in suits that are easily re-used/tweaked from previous non-superhero sewing patterns and/or just changed color. Not too impressive.

3. Tons of WGSH being released disgusts and disappoints you? Ummm...you know this is the MEGO Museum right?

Judging from the posts here, I know that TOO well. The fact that this is a Mego Museum, is why (I believe) that "hype" rather than "much cooler stuff" (like new characters) is selling this lazy approach to figure releases.

Fist Fighters? Fine. Bring 'em on. But do a bit more than what I diagrammed in my reply to your #2 above. They are gonna milk you til you realize you just spent tons of money on the least interesting stuff of what the DC liscence could have given both you AND them as far as satisfaction.

That is, unless you truly DO relish Fist Fighters THAT much that new characters pale in comparison.

Huedell, I'm suggesting exactly what I suggested in the initial post. Exactly. No new bodies, just new head sculpts. That's it.

It's cool if you don't like it, and it's cool to state that you don't like it, but you can back the hell off with your condescending tone.

Apologies if you find it condescending to the point of being offended.
If that's how you'll define how YOU feel, then I'll offer that I'm "offended" with the character choices given, as well as members like yourself feeding this monster.
Ultimately, I realize it's a toyline, so I'm not offended in the true sense of the word. But, hey, if that's where you choose to take it.

[Werewolf]

To me, Batman the Animated series was brilliant because of its writing. But I don't think the stylized designs would work well as a Mego style figure. A Timm verse head would probably look rather odd on a Mego style body.

I also personally prefer the more realistic character designs of the second season of the Super Powers cartoon and was a bit disappointed the FTC Super Powers figures didn't get updated heads to match the SP art.

[enyawd72]

Huedell, what exactly DO you want from FTC? You say bring on the Fist Fighters, but do something more with them..like what exactly? Please enlighten us all. They're already giving us several new Fist Fighters in fantastic new packaging. Also, please stop saying everyone who isn't a pessimist is being "milked" by the current releases. FTC is giving us a FEAST of new figures, and if you can't find something good in all that they're offering, that's just sad. If you think you can do better, by all means...pay for the license, open your own factory and show us all how it should be done.

[huedell]

Huedell, what exactly DO you want from FTC? You say bring on the Fist Fighters, but do something more with them..like what exactly? Please enlighten us all.

I've already SAID what I want. More new characters. And when you DO put out new characters, try to release something other than 40 year old (and up) men in dress suits because it's easier to do than an exciting costumed super-villain.

I don't want the FF, but if they didn't make SO many lazy decisions, I'd be much more comfortable with the FF being released and being celebrated here... it IS a Mego board here after all, and FFs are a big part of the WGSH legacy.

Also, please stop saying everyone who isn't a pessimist is being "milked" by the current releases. FTC is giving us a FEAST of new figures, and if you can't find something good in all that they're offering, that's just sad. If you think you can do better, by all means...pay for the license, open your own factory and show us all how it should be done.

I don't HAVE to open a factory to claim what I believe is lame business decisions. Also, I'm not a total pessimist. I like what they've already released, and I've said as much.

And as far as you being "milked"---well, if you don't like that term, then I understand... I only mean that in the context that they are "pummeling you with repack/reuse ideas"... and "milked" is a lot easier to write than "pummeling you with repack/reuse ideas".


EDITED TO ADD a segment from a previous thread's post, to once again diagram "what I would've done" which I think is quite an intricate answer to your above question of "Huedell, what exactly DO you want from FTC?"
Here's what I would have done for the first twelve waves, taking the Batman thing into consideration for the first three waves:

WAVE 01: Batman, Robin, Joker, Penguin
WAVE 02: Riddler, "Pirate" Catwoman, Commissioner James Gordon, Scarecrow
WAVE 03: RC Batman, RM Robin, Mr. Freeze, Ra's Al Ghul
WAVE 04: Superman, Bizarro, Batgirl, Two Face
WAVE 05: Supergirl, Jimmy Olsen, Lex Luthor, Brainiac,
WAVE 06: AE Bruce Wayne, AE Dick Grayson, "Purple Dress" Catwoman, Alfred Pennyworth
WAVE 07: Wonder Woman, Flash, Cheetah, Captain Cold
WAVE 08: Green Arrow, SHAZAM!, Plastic Man, The Atom
WAVE 09: Aquaman, Black Manta, AE Clark Kent, AE Barbara Gordon (edited)
WAVE 10: Green Lantern, Sinestro, Lois Lane, Mr. Myxlpltlk
WAVE 11: Hawkman, Hawkgirl, Black Canary, Mera (edited)
WAVE 12: Black Lightning, Metamorpho, Dr. Sivana, Mirror Master (edited)
WAVE 13: Martian Manhunter, Red Tornado, Elongated Man, Zatanna (added)
WAVE 14: Trickster, Pied Piper, Reverse Flash, Captain Boomerang (added)

And, if THAT was the promised wave character proposal---all I'd have had to have heard was the first few waves, and my excitement for the line would've been so great that I could've stood a "three wave per year" mindset... even in spite of my skepticism about FTC.

Now, you could make the argument that my proposal would have lost them money... but I don't see how.

[thunderbolt]

^^^ what you would have done is all well and good, but you don't work at FTC, you are just another ranting guy that is upset that FTC is not doing what YOU want. There must be a demand for repros or they wouldn't be doing them. So far they have brought to production Evel Kenevel, Dukes, JR a couple waves of WGSH and 66 Batman in the first year of announcing all these new lines.

[Ivaniski]

To me, Batman the Animated series was brilliant because of its writing. But I don't think the stylized designs would work well as a Mego style figure. A Timm verse head would probably look rather odd on a Mego style body.

I also personally prefer the more realistic character designs of the second season of the Super Powers cartoon and was a bit disappointed the FTC Super Powers figures didn't get updated heads to match the SP art.

Wow!!! That (Super Powers cartoon) brought back wonderful Saturday morning memories...And you're right the 2nd season character designs of that show..."ROCKED".

[enyawd72]

^^^ what you would have done is all well and good, but you don't work at FTC, you are just another ranting guy that is upset that FTC is not doing what YOU want.

Bingo.
Quick! Somebody call FTC and tell them not to make the Fist Fighters cause one guy doesn't want them.

[thunderbolt]

Bingo.
Quick! Somebody call FTC and tell them not to make the Fist Fighters cause one guy doesn't want them.

One guy that probably doesn't spend a dime with them anyway.

[huedell]

Bingo.
Quick! Somebody call FTC and tell them not to make the Fist Fighters cause one guy doesn't want them.

One guy that probably doesn't spend a dime with them anyway.

enyawd72/T-bolt:

I find it troubling that in order to debate something with me, you decide to assume things and treat them as fact in order to discredit me.

When did I ever (I mean EVER) say "Don't make the Fist Fighters"? You are so sensitive to my posts that you are saying something repetitively that is not true.

I've always said the OPPOSITE. I've said twice in this very thread to "MAKE the Fist Fighters".

How can I make any points if you guys are just going to think whatever you want to think about me even if it's not true?

Also, T-bolt, I'll point out for the thousandth time, that I'm focusing on the WGSH related product and it's excessive re-use/repack mindset that gives us little new WGSH characters, and when it DOES give us new characters it gives us middle-aged men in dress suits on the whole. They showed a lot of new characters on the back of a card. But that's hype at the moment. Not reality.

I'm a "ranting guy" that is "upset" (in so many words, I guess) because I believe FTC could accomplish the same or better than what they already have with little additional effort, and am shocked others don't agree.

Ultimately though, I feel it's a hopeless debate/discussion, because being in the minority group who is not impressed by their re-packaging of the same figures (or the same figures with FF mechanisms) is ONE thing, but the real trouble is that I am repetitively having words put into my mouth that I didn't say. It's not even debatable that I ever said "Don't make the Fist Fighters." Yet, you both think I DID say that. Weird.

EDITED TO ADD:

^^^...There must be a demand for repros or they wouldn't be doing them.

I never said not to make the rerpos either. WHY would I say that? That's the CORE of the line! Geesh.

[SpaceAgent]

I'd love DCAU figures with Timm's designs. Probably the best single interpretation of the DC universe ever.

[Earth 2 Chris]

I'd love DCAU figures with Timm's designs. Probably the best single interpretation of the DC universe ever.

Amen brutha.

Chris

[PNGwynne]

We've debated FTC character assortments, wave schedules, and FTC marketing/quality ad nauseam in other threads--do we really need to revisit it here?

Bottom line Hue--you want what you want, when you want it. You're scared/disgruntled that that may not happen. We get it.

Your list of "appropriate" releases is just as idiosyncratic as any others that might be posted here--myself included, I posted a list before yours.

Can we have more "steak" & less "sizzle" in your comments? Frankly I feel brow-beat.

[PNGwynne]

Regarding Timm-FTC efforts, I'd much rather see '70s/early '80s releases to expand into a cohesive line. I love Timm's designs, but I think they do not lend themselves well to ReMego adaptation.

If FTC is going to develop new head sculpts--probably the most expensive aspect of new tooling--I'd keep it focused.