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[Mego-Amigo]

Agreed. I was only being sarcastic about wave 2 killing the line. I don't think it will. And " super lame ' is just my opinion.

[PNGwynne]

That's just wooly-headed. If this "super-lame" wave "kills the line", then FTC's and "our" $$ will have been wasted.

It's in everyone's best interest to solicit a marketable wave--that's the basis of discussion in this thread, despite contentious tangents.

[Mego-Amigo]

In the public view probably the Joker is the best known villain but arguing about who is the best is silly. It is only a matter of one's opinion who is the best. I know Penguin and Bane are popular Batman villains but I despise both of them. Joker and Catwoman have always been my favorites followed closely by Catman, Riddler and Man-Bat but who cares what I think. The next guy has a different line-up and gets upset if you disagree with him. That's why this kind of thread is a waste of time. Now as for the Figures wave 2 assortment... I do like the Catwoman ( though I prefer the purple dress version ) because this is the one Mego originally made. Hopefully other versions of her will follow. The remaining three figures in this wave are super lame in my opinion but I will buy them in support of the line no matter what Benjamin or anyone else here thinks about it. If this wave kills the line then so be it. We can say we did our best to support it.

[rlkrefft]

I think it's a great wave. I love Penguin and Catwoman and I will for sure buy them. I don't understand everyone who compares these two to the Joker, or think they are not as great as Joker or Riddler. Penguin was a huge seller in the original line. He and Joker were produced through out the run (Riddler was cancelled long before Penguin) it is so silly to discuss who is more popular. Joker will always be #1, but it would be a very boring Batman universe if Joker was the only foe. Thats what makes Batman so great (his many fantastic list of bad guys) also, I might add that had Penguin and Riddler been in wave 1 and Joker in wave 2 you guys would still be calling this a weak follow up wave because there is no Batman or Robin. I'm buying the whole wave 2 just as I did wave 1. Now the next wave I'm only getting Batgirl. Never liked the removable cowl or mask Batman and Robin figures. I never saw a reason for them, especially if we are going to have Bruce and Dick figures already.

[PNGwynne]

Perhaps, but bear in mind this is your thread about wave assortments, not "absolute " villain rankings.

[imp]

so, your top tier has only one villain, and you are the one who introduced tiers into this,?

I didn't "introduce tiers into this", I simply made a joke about Penguin and Catwoman in the context of desirability among potential buyers who are Batman fans but don't collect Mego. Again, we're talking about the Series 2 FTC assortment. Which is to say, NOT BATMAN and NOT DESIRABLE to non-Mego collectors.

[thunderbolt]

so, your top tier has only one villain, and you are the one who introduced tiers into this,? I noticed you didn't even try to argue about Catwoman. She's appeared in both modern Movie series, and the 66 show. I just don't see the Joker sitting alone at the top, the 66 movie set the top 4 at Joker, Penguin, Riddler and Catwoman and its been that way ever since. Ohh, and Catwoman has carried a long term comic series two of them running 94 and 83 issues, can the Joker say that? Nope. All he had was a very short series in the 70's. Sure he gets used a lot for shock value bits like killing a lame Robin or beating up Babs then taking pics of her. Now that this thread has been derailed by this nonsense I am done. Toodles

[imp]

Well, if they're so secondary, then they're perfectly placed in wave TWO. How you think Riddler rates Wave 1, by comparison, confuses me. Riddler is often depicted as a Joker wanna-be.

Riddler does not "rate Wave 1" to me. My point is that they are ALL pretenders to Joker's throne.

[The Toyroom]

Joker is and always will be #1. Riddler, Penguin, Catwoman (the '66 series is still influential to this day) are his next level of most famous foes with Two-Face and Mr. Freeze joining that faction. After that Harkey Quinn and Bane (ugh) have probably made the most impressions on the collective consciousness of the average Joe.

Everyone else after that, including the much beloved Ras Al Ghul, Killer Moth (!), Clayface, Man-Bat et al are inconsequential as far as the general public is concerned.

Just like Spider-Man....everyone knows The Green Goblin, Dr. Octopus and Venom but no one really cares or knows about the Kingpin, the Shocker, Man-Wolf, the Scorpion, etc. besides those who actively follow comics lore. As far as the general public is concerned they not even exist. Which is why you can have Jamie Foxx as Electro looking nothing like most fans want him to look like in the upcoming Spider-Man film. They're catering to the general public, not the fans.

[PNGwynne]

Well, if they're so secondary, then they're perfectly placed in wave TWO. How you think Riddler rates Wave 1, by comparison, confuses me. Riddler is often depicted as a Joker wanna-be.

[imp]

not sensitive at all, I just don't agree with your downgrading of two villains that consistently get merchandising and lots of air time in cartoons and movies. Heck, Penguin even got more West episodes than the Joker.

Movies and Cartoons? Okay, Joker was the villain in the first Tim Burton Batman movie. (Many of us would like to forget the Penguin in the second Burton flick.) Joker was arguably the best part of the Nolan Dark Knight Trilogy (not a Penguin in sight, BTW). Joker was the principal villain in Batman: The Animated Series and was the villain in the Batman Beyond movie.

Comics? Penguin has never had a story as significant as Miller's The Dark Knight Returns. That was Joker. Catwoman has never been the baddie in something like Moore's The Killing Joke. That was Joker.

You guys can argue all you want, but the fact remains: Joker stands alone as the #1 top Batman villain, and everyone else is in a constant race for second place.

[PNGwynne]

Harley Quinn--beloved, but a hench-moll--B-List? Ra's al Ghul, D-list? Imp, You've either got to acknowledge the composite influence & merchandising of the foes, or go strictly by the comics. You can't have it both ways lol.

Perhaps FTC should do a Prof. Pyg reMego .

And believe me, as a champion fan of O. C. Cobblepot, Capt. Marvel, & Aquaman--I have a very thick skin.

[thunderbolt]

not sensitive at all, I just don't agree with your downgrading of two villains that consistently get merchandising and lots of air time in cartoons and movies. Heck, Penguin even got more West episodes than the Joker.

[imp]

Oh, please. Joker is in a class all by himself. Joker owns "top-tier" designation, regardless of era or iteration.

Riddler, Penguin, Catwoman and Two-Face are all second tier. For a younger generation, Bane and Harley Quinn are in that list. IMO, other Batman villains are D-List. Killer Croc. Ras Al-Guhl. Clayface. Etc.

Man, you guys are sensitive. Thicken up, kids!

[Figuremod73]

I've always considered The Penguin just below the Joker and Catwoman myself. In the classic batman books he was always a good read.