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  • MIB41
    Eloquent Member
    • Sep 25, 2005
    • 15633

    It's a new year and CAE has a new company to blame... Round 2

    Isn't it sad when license holders make it as much a part of their business of selling their license as they do bad mouthing the folks who take the risk and lose money on it? Read their latest excuse to their Yahoo group. Embarrassing to say the least.

    "Hi Gang,
    Yes, thanks for the note and the email. And please be clear, we too surely do feel the frustration about the timing of the Round 2 DC sets. According to the original plan, we should be making Wave 8 by now!

    A few of the guys out there tend to bash everything in public forums, and denigrate all the efforts we put into various projects, and that- frankly - gets very wearisome. Getting on the cover of the Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide, for instance, is a HUGE deal. We’ll be in every comic shop front and center and in many bookstores. And they’ll be advertising that for the entire next year too. And by doing that, we’ll be right in front of the guys (for a year) who make the ordering decisions for the Round 2 sets.

    To a lesser extent, the same thing applies to the Tonner Lady Action, the Captain Action Cat series and all the other projects. We can tell you that the first buyer at Toys R Us told us he saw the Sideshow CA statue and Moonstone series every Wednesday when he bought his comics…and that directly led to them buying in for Round 2.
    So when some fans denigrated the SDCC panel because there’s no news - we tend to find that debilitating on a personal level. But hey, In a perfect world we would’ve absolutely had a Batman Prototype up there to show everyone.

    As discerning fans, we've been defying the odds time and time again with the Round 2 sets. We’re proud to have been able to bring everyone major Marvel characters to add to their collections which was no small feat. Right now, no other company seems to be doing 1/6 scale, let alone classic Silver Age figures, and some of the experts - like the Mattel Barbie line, are faltering. (Sales down 15% vs.YA). And Toys R Us, our lead retailer is struggling. They just had a big round of layoffs and another round is rumored. Round 2 as a company does a poor job at selling licensed toys into other big-box retailers, and beyond that we all know those retailers are having their own troubles.
    So the short answer as respects DC is “nothing is for sure”. This whole line was never supposed to happen, and then just about cancelled several times along the way. We were never supposed to secure the DC license and then we did. The comics were supposed to be cancelled and then we took a step up as Dynamite is now our publisher. And as you guys all know by now, there’s lot of things going on behind the scenes too.

    We're sorry that we didn't have Round 2 Prototypes to share at the SDCC Contest Panel. We wish, probably more than anybody, because we put so much into this - that we were further along with Round 2 sets. But like the kids used to say “I’m not the boss of them” (i.e. Round2). And we’re certainly not "the boss" of the TRU buyer or the Diamond Buyer either.

    All we can assure you is that we’ll continue to put way too much time into Captain Action and that we too are excited to see more costume sets manufactured. We have not abandoned 1/6 scale by any stretch of the imagination. As you know we just announced our new Lady Action figure with Go Hero. Maybe it’s not what you were hoping for or maybe you are unable to afford a higher quality figure, but there are a lot of collectors out there who play in this world. If there wasn't, Sideshow and Hot Toys wouldn't be in business.
    The world is rapidly changing in terms of retailing, television programming and manufacturing. It’s not 1967 now and never will be again, but you already know that. We do know that it is extraordinarily frustrating for many guys on this list, and especially collectors like Ed, who never had a Batman set as a kid. (He’s been called liar about that too, btw) and we can assure you it will be very frustrating for all fans everywhere with a very narrow definition of Captain Action as simply a 12 inch action figure. No property works that focused any more, and while we respect everyone’s right to like what they like, we'll continue to work as hard as we can to expand the brand and make better things happen for Captain Action.
    Right now, as you all are aware we are working hard on getting a Captain Action Animated Series off the ground. This will be a major game changer and greatly impact the things we will be able to do for the brand as a whole going forward and perhaps alleviate some of the product development frustrations by being able to work with bigger and better companies as we move forward.

    As always, we are thankful for the support we have gotten.

    Best,

    Joe & Ed"


    Last year it was TRU fault. This year, it's Round 2. I guess the only question left.. Who will it be next year? Go Hero maybe? Watch out Go Hero... They have it out for you if you can't make any money by investing in their license. LOL.
  • thunderbolt
    Hi Ernie!!!
    • Feb 15, 2004
    • 34211

    #2
    next it will be the animation company working on the cartoon when it doesn't get picked up by any cable outlet or streaming service.
    You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie Banks

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    • samurainoir
      Eloquent Member
      • Dec 26, 2006
      • 18758

      #3
      I personally absolutely love Captain Action, but I've always thought it's struggles in all incarnations... including how short-lived the original Ideal line ended up being (compared to Mego for example) was the flaw in it's core concept.

      Other than the small core group of collectors/fans, I don't think there is a mass toy market for a character that dresses up as other superheroes. The play value for a kid of dressing and undressing one character seems limited, vs the reinvention of the concept of few years later as Megos allowed kids to have Captain America interact with Spider-Man or Batman (or even Kirk, Bo Duke and Cornelius) as their own stand-alone figures. If there was a dress-up component to Mego, it was the fact that Batman could become Bruce Wayne... and even the secret identies aspects weren't really a huge part of Mego.

      It's also very likely why the "action figure" industry for the most part shifted to fully sculpted figures in the 80's, abandoning the dress up aspect (again, other than the relatively small appeal of Secret Identities figures within a larger line).

      At this point, I think the best chance of success for Captain Action is to go extremely limited and high end. Like if Hot Toys or Sideshow picks up the license. Not what anyone likes to hear, but the only thing I can think of that makes any good business sense. I'm sure folks will be watching Lady Action from Tonner with interest given the high price point and limited quantities of that kind of Doll product.



      Last edited by samurainoir; Aug 11, '14, 5:11 PM.
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      BUY THE CAPTAIN CANUCK ACTION FIGURE HERE!

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      • samurainoir
        Eloquent Member
        • Dec 26, 2006
        • 18758

        #4
        and keep in mind the competition for a $20 outfit, plus another $20 Captain Actdion figure to complete that figure for a parent or kid budgeting their allowance is a 12" figure of Spider-Man, Captain America, Wolverine on the shelves right next to it for $12-$20. Kids and collectors alike can get immediate gratification by just buying just the Wolverine figure. And the license doesn't allow for the figure and costume to be sold together in one set does it? Which will perpetuate the problem of racking the costume sets with the Captain Action figure.

        Ditto if and when a Batman suit comes out for Captain Action. You'd have to be a pretty dedicated Captain Action and/or Batman fan to want it over all the other Batman figural products out there.





        at toys r us right now, for the cheaper than a Spider-Man costume set and Captain Action doll (not on clearance), a kid can get a jumbo 31" Spider-man. If i were a kid, that would be my choice.

        Last edited by samurainoir; Aug 11, '14, 5:17 PM.
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        BUY THE CAPTAIN CANUCK ACTION FIGURE HERE!

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        • enyawd72
          Maker of Monsters!
          • Oct 1, 2009
          • 7904

          #5

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          • PNGwynne
            Master of Fowl Play
            • Jun 5, 2008
            • 19941

            #6
            Originally posted by samurainoir
            Ditto if and when a Batman suit comes out for Captain Action. You'd have to be a pretty dedicated Captain Action and/or Batman fan to want it over all the other Batman figural products out there.[/img]
            I can only speak for myself, but I really liked the aesthetic & price-point of the "recent" CA offerings. I was looking forward to DC sets & particularly the opportunity to assemble Aquaman.
            WANTED: Dick Grayson SI trousers; gray AJ Mustang horse; vintage RC Batman (Bruce Wayne) head; minty Wolfman tights; mint Black Knight sword; minty Launcelot boots; Lion Rock (pale) Dracula & Mummy heads; Lion Rock Franky squared boots; Wayne Foundation blue furniture; Flash Gordon/Ming (10") unbroken holsters; CHiPs gloved arms; POTA T2 tan body; CTVT/vintage Friar Tuck robes, BBP TZ Burgess Meredith glasses.

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            • The Batman Professor
              Veteran Member
              • Jul 15, 2010
              • 377

              #7
              ANNNNNNND, reading between the lines:

              Round 2 is done. Otherwise, CAE would still be ducking the question.
              Last edited by The Batman Professor; Aug 11, '14, 11:00 PM.
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              • The Batman Professor
                Veteran Member
                • Jul 15, 2010
                • 377

                #8
                I truly want CA to continue, but pinning your future on the Overstreet guide and an animated series that's still in the storyboad stage is delusional. An animated series didn't spell success for Kenner's Swamp Thing, for example.
                sigpicSWEAR TO ME!

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                • levyguy
                  Veteran Member
                  • Sep 4, 2009
                  • 293

                  #9
                  I 'd like the new Superman and Batman sets for Captain Action (silver age versions of course).

                  I have no interest in the other super hero figures out there now, aside from the FTC DC superhero line. If R2 CA line is through, and it seems like it is, I'd like to see FTC produce an 8" CA and a 7 or 6" AB,based on the Ideal figures as Castaway did.

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                  • enyawd72
                    Maker of Monsters!
                    • Oct 1, 2009
                    • 7904

                    #10
                    ^I truly love CA and want to see it continue, but these guys have killed it. They have continuously mismanaged the entire line while feeding their customers and fans nothing but hype, false promises and outright BS in between long bouts of ignoring them completely, then they have the GALL to blame everyone else...their retailers, their business partners and their customers, while taking ZERO responsibility for their own actions.

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                    • torgospizza
                      Theocrat of Pan Tang
                      • Aug 19, 2010
                      • 2747

                      #11
                      One thing that's probably going to cause them issues teaming with Go Hero for a higher-end line is Sideshow's 1/6 DC and Marvel figures. If I'm going to spend that kind of money (and I might never, apart from the odd figure, like Aquaman [and depending on him being in Batman vs. Superman, we might get a Hot Toys Momoa version in a couple years]), I'll probably go with Sideshow--those costumes we're seeing from them are extremely well-done.

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                      • MIB41
                        Eloquent Member
                        • Sep 25, 2005
                        • 15633

                        #12
                        Originally posted by enyawd72
                        ^I truly love CA and want to see it continue, but these guys have killed it. They have continuously mismanaged the entire line while feeding their customers and fans nothing but hype, false promises and outright BS in between long bouts of ignoring them completely, then they have the GALL to blame everyone else...their retailers, their business partners and their customers, while taking ZERO responsibility for their own actions.
                        THIS. And I don't think any of us set out to love a product like this only to take personal aim at the license holders if it doesn't work out. All lines have a life expectancy and then demand goes elsewhere (even if we don't want it to). But as Dwayne said, when it doesn't work out for CAE, they ALWAYS look for a fall guy. They need a villain. They need someone to degrade and humiliate in public to distance their product's failure from the topic. After a while it really becomes pathetic looking and the spotlight squarely falls on the messenger.

                        Sam makes some equally good points about the rival product. It's all about pricing and product selection. Captain Action got it's rear kicked in that comparison and will get a greater drubbing on the high end side. Once you start approaching $150.00 and up, you're looking for quality for a displayable item. CA is more about play than display...hence the name and dress out feature. And if they make a $150.00 figure that needs to be sold to dress expensive costumes, guess what happens on that end? Those people will use leftover bodies they currently use for the cheaper model right now. And if the outfits become too pricey, then collectors start comparing with Hot Toys for quality and then they're dead in their tracks. So if they can't find a wide scale audience at the $20.00 price point (and thought those folks were nitpicking), they haven't even tasted the appetizers on the opposite end of the spectrum. Good luck Go Hero. Expect Ed and Joe to blame you if it can't sell. They punish every company that takes a chance with their property.

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                        • jimsmegos
                          Mego Dork
                          • Nov 9, 2008
                          • 4519

                          #13
                          Sucks they feel the need to blame everybody else. And while their points on the state of TV, retail and the overall market landscape are true the one thing they are missing is that Captain Action doesn't have that big of a fan base. Not enough to expect everyone who walks into a Toys R Us to go; "Oh wow! Captain Action is back?!?! I must have him and all of his costumes and accessories. NOW!" Being born in '73 I have no direct connection to the original toy at all. As a collector I find the vintage sets of some of my favorite characters (i.e. Batman, Superman etc) interesting but odd in their looks and style. It's as if they can't see this and anyone who isn't 1000% behind them is a "Stupid doo-doo head who can't play with our toys anyway!"

                          Like I said I am not the biggest Captain Action fan but do feel for fans of the line. Nothing worse than getting half way want you want after being promised the moon and stars. I equate it to the start and stop of Classic TV Toys with the quality issues in the first Mego reissues and the the Mattel Retro Actions getting killed before they even attempted to get them right or finish what was in the pipeline.

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                          • enyawd72
                            Maker of Monsters!
                            • Oct 1, 2009
                            • 7904

                            #14
                            If they wanted to do high end, they should have done that from the start with straight up repros of the original DC and Marvel sets. The Playing Mantis sets were great...what did them in was offering Phantom and Lone Ranger instead of Batman and Spider-Man.
                            They could have reproed the entire original line as limited editions and charged $200 each and they still would have sold. A mint original Spider-Man will set you back thousands in the box...IF you can even find one. I'd cough up $200 for one over a Hot Toys figure in a second.

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                            • megojim
                              Permanent Member
                              • Oct 13, 2001
                              • 3630

                              #15
                              i embraced this line but to be honest can not deal with bodies that do not hold a pose, i mean what's the point? that combined with a copule of my outfits not fitting unless i cut holes in the toes i sold all mine of last moth and will not be buying any more
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