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  • enyawd72
    Maker of Monsters!
    • Oct 1, 2009
    • 7904

    #16
    I do not now, nor will I ever support streaming video. You are totally at the mercy of those supplying the content. THEY decide which shows/movies to make available, and can yank stuff at any time whenever they please. I want to own a physical copy I can watch whenever I want, not when someone else says it's okay.

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    • hedrap
      Permanent Member
      • Feb 10, 2009
      • 4825

      #17
      Dozier also produced the movie under the same deal, so it wouldn't matter what the exhibition platform was as home video didn't exist back then for movies, either.

      Historically, the syndication market didn't exist until '72, hence the Trek and Gilligan's Island royalty lawsuits. So for those rights to be considered back in '66, ABC would have to be in on the deal since they originally paid Fox to produce it as the deal was between NPP and ABC. Fox then contracted out to Greenway.

      So what we're looking at is something closer to the Desilu situation where WB thinks Fox should buyout Greenway since they contracted to them, but Fox since WB should since they own Batman. And ABC must be getting a piece of the syndication since it was their deal.

      This is nearly identical to the cluster behind the Marvel '67 and HB FF cartoons. The MSH rights were split between Disney and Fox Home video for years and didn't get somewhat cleared up until the Marvel merger. Even then, we've never seen a stateside DVD or legit streaming release, even though it looks as if Disney bought Grantray since they released the Spidey '67 boxset.

      The FF HB 'toons are mired in rights hell, where WB can show them on Boomerang since they own the production company but home video or streaming is out because Marvel wants fifty percent with a buyback option.

      When you have a movie - FF, Avengers, Batman, Superman - and a tie-in ancillary never makes it to home video tells you how many people must own a piece to make it not worthwhile.

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      • mego73
        Printed paperboard Tiger
        • Aug 1, 2003
        • 6690

        #18
        Movies back then did have agreements for home and organization exhibition. except back then it was for super 8 movies and 16mm film rentals. I assume Batman 66 was able to be put out due to those considerations.


        Originally posted by hedrap
        Dozier also produced the movie under the same deal, so it wouldn't matter what the exhibition platform was as home video didn't exist back then for movies, either.

        Historically, the syndication market didn't exist until '72, hence the Trek and Gilligan's Island royalty lawsuits. So for those rights to be considered back in '66, ABC would have to be in on the deal since they originally paid Fox to produce it as the deal was between NPP and ABC. Fox then contracted out to Greenway.

        So what we're looking at is something closer to the Desilu situation where WB thinks Fox should buyout Greenway since they contracted to them, but Fox since WB should since they own Batman. And ABC must be getting a piece of the syndication since it was their deal.

        This is nearly identical to the cluster behind the Marvel '67 and HB FF cartoons. The MSH rights were split between Disney and Fox Home video for years and didn't get somewhat cleared up until the Marvel merger. Even then, we've never seen a stateside DVD or legit streaming release, even though it looks as if Disney bought Grantray since they released the Spidey '67 boxset.

        The FF HB 'toons are mired in rights hell, where WB can show them on Boomerang since they own the production company but home video or streaming is out because Marvel wants fifty percent with a buyback option.

        When you have a movie - FF, Avengers, Batman, Superman - and a tie-in ancillary never makes it to home video tells you how many people must own a piece to make it not worthwhile.

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        • Earth 2 Chris
          Verbose Member
          • Mar 7, 2004
          • 32981

          #19
          ^Yep, and the TV series was one of the first that was successfully syndicated. Dozier is seen as a pioneer for this. It's one reason why he wasn't too torn up when the show was cancelled...he would continue to roll in the dough due to his forward thinking. We all know NBC offered to pick up the show, but the sets were already destroyed. One reason why they didn't bother with rebuilding was due to the syndication making them pure profit from then on.

          Unfortunately, he didn't think about home exhibition beyond syndication...

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          • Joshua the Atomic Robot
            Veteran Member
            • Aug 14, 2012
            • 305

            #20
            Umm, are we sure sales on these figures are slowing? I was under the impression that the sales on them were better than Mattel expected. It sounded to me like they weren't planning on continuing the line, and then the stronger-than-expected sales made them change their mind, and now they're scrambling behind the scenes to come up with a new wave of figures. Admittedly, I'm doing a lot of "reading between the lines" of their statements, so I could be wrong.

            If the steam is running out, it's probably just because they haven't announced any of the next wave of figures aside from Surf's Up Joker. If they announce some cool new characters like Batgirl or Egghead, I think the excitement level will rise back up.

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            • The Toyroom
              The Packaging King
              • Dec 31, 2004
              • 16653

              #21
              I saw an Eli Wallach Mr Freeze pictured somewhere so I'm sure the line is continuing.
              Think OUTSIDE the Box! For the BEST in Repro & Custom Packaging!

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              • ODBJBG
                Permanent Member
                • May 15, 2009
                • 3211

                #22
                You can't really gauge anything based on the Mattel line. Once Mattel said they only intended to essentially do one wave (and the little half wave with Catwoman and the variants) most collectors dropped the line like a bad habit. Unfortunately for Mattel, they actually announced this BEFORE any of the figures ever even hit the shelves. Essentially killing the line before it ever started. Then to make matters worse, bad QC on a lot of the early figures was enough for most people to just stay away entirely.

                Granted this only applies to the Mattel stuff, but as far as I know, it's the only 66 "dud" as it were... And that entirely falls on Mattel's handling of the line.

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                • megomania
                  Persistent Member
                  • Jan 2, 2010
                  • 2175

                  #23
                  I can watch pretty much every episode on YouTube.....why would I want a DVD?

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                  • enyawd72
                    Maker of Monsters!
                    • Oct 1, 2009
                    • 7904

                    #24
                    Originally posted by megomania
                    I can watch pretty much every episode on YouTube.....why would I want a DVD?
                    Gee, do I want to watch Batman in high definition on a 52" TV screen or watch a little box the size of a postcard on Youtube? I'll take the DVD's thanks.

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                    • megomania
                      Persistent Member
                      • Jan 2, 2010
                      • 2175

                      #25
                      Originally posted by enyawd72
                      Gee, do I want to watch Batman in high definition on a 52" TV screen or watch a little box the size of a postcard on Youtube? I'll take the DVD's thanks.
                      I can watch it on my 70" through my apple tv device; works for Porn too. Why do I need DVDs?

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                      • Joshua the Atomic Robot
                        Veteran Member
                        • Aug 14, 2012
                        • 305

                        #26
                        Originally posted by megomania
                        I can watch it on my 70" through my apple tv device; works for Porn too. Why do I need DVDs?
                        Well the picture quality would be a lot higher. Also, all the versions floating around on the internet have several minutes cut from them to make room for more commercials. So, with DVDs we could get them complete and uncut.

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                        • Gorn Captain
                          Invincible Ironing Man
                          • Feb 28, 2008
                          • 10549

                          #27
                          Originally posted by megomania
                          I can watch it on my 70" through my apple tv device; works for Porn too. Why do I need DVDs?
                          I want to watch 66 Batman in High Def 3D!
                          Porn? Not so much...

                          So yeah, I do need them on DVD!
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                          "When things are at their darkest, it's a brave man that can kick back and party."

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                          • enyawd72
                            Maker of Monsters!
                            • Oct 1, 2009
                            • 7904

                            #28
                            Originally posted by megomania
                            I can watch it on my 70" through my apple tv device; works for Porn too. Why do I need DVDs?
                            Well, for one thing...you can only watch movies and TV on Youtube as long as they allow it. Videos can be yanked at any time for copyright violations. Once I buy a DVD...it's mine to watch whenever I feel like it.

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                            • samurainoir
                              Eloquent Member
                              • Dec 26, 2006
                              • 18758

                              #29
                              I've so far been picking up any Batman 66 gear I can get my hands on.

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                              • Aricosaur
                                Museum Super Collector
                                • Jul 26, 2013
                                • 208

                                #30
                                I don't know where the idea that the Mattel Batman '66 stuff isn't doing well has come from. I saw (actually had in hand) one Batman and Robin box set and unfortunately didn't get it. I never saw another one. Wal-mart got the first wave. It sold out. They got more. It sold out. Currently one walmart near me only has two Riddlers. I've never even seen a Batmobile.

                                Batman '66 is one of those almost evergreen shows. I wasn't around for the original showings or the '70s craze. But I've seen it in reruns and such and I would be collecting the Mattel line if I had more money.

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