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  • megocrazy
    Museum Trouble Maker
    • Feb 18, 2007
    • 3718

    #16
    Truthfully I think the two biggest issues is the amount of figures produced and a lack of a TV show. If you look at the toy lines that have truly been successful the one that comes to mind most recently as long running is Power Rangers. A show that came out when my now 21 year old boys were 5 or 6. You don't see that anymore. Other successes like Hot Wheels, Barbie, etc are aimed at kids even younger than the age we were still playing with toys.

    Fisher Price did better with their action heroes line because young kids play with toys and older kids go to video games. You need to keep kids in the market playing with toys longer than the 6 or 7 year old range or the number of consumers available drops drastically. I think there is a lot of hype with the brave and bold line because kids see it on TV and want to play it at home. Same with the JLU figures. They were extremly popular when the show was airing regularly but seemed to drop off when it was cancelled. If there had been a popular show on when these 9" figures came out I think they would have had a much bigger following and success.

    They were also hard to find at first, a trait that has started since the ebay secondary market has been created. Non collecting ebay sellers will scour the aisles looking for stuff to sell and absorb a lot of the initial offering to flip for a profit. Lack of supply causes many collectors to simply look elsewhere for something to spend their money on. Some choose to pay the ebay price but that group is not large.

    The non removable uniform would be an issue to a Mego collector but not to a kid that has no idea what a Mego even is, and that kid is a much bigger part of the national consumer market nowadays. If a kid sees Batman on TV he wants to play with Batman. As soon as he sees something else it's bye bye Batman. Old show goes away, gotta get the new shows toy line. What do you think has made more money for the Power Rangers franchise? The show rights or the toy rights? I've gotta believe the number of years and number of toys produced has been the biggest financial gain for the owners. The show is hardly any good. It's poorly acted. TMNT is 10 times better written but no where near as successful. In fact you could say the only reason TMNT keeps popping it's head out of it shell (pun) every couple of years is because PR kept the whole martial arts,battling the bad guys deal running for so long. As long as the show succeeds the toys do to. Star Wars is another good example. Keep putting out cartoons and stuff and the toy line will continue. They keep dragging stuff out and then producing more toys. $$$$$

    If you look at the successful lines now the toys tend to drop off at around 7 or 8. Boys gravitate toward video games and girls toward clothes and such. Wii, Playstation, or Xbox. What boy 8-10 doesn't have one? What girl 8-10 doesn't have some clothing with Hannah Montana, or High School Musical on it. Tween boys wanna hang with their buds playing video games and talk about girls, while tween girls wanna go to the mall shopping with their friends and talk about boys. Not stay home and play with Barbie dolls and action figures. For years we've told our kids to act like big girls and boys and now they're doing it, just at a very much younger age. Who says kids don't listen?

    The comic industry is not strong enough to support a toy line and movie figures are through the instant the movie hype is gone. IMO that's why you don't see toy lines spanning multiple years anymore. Hit the market grab some cash and move on to the next property. See you all at the premiere of "High School Musical the 50th year class reunion". Coming to a theatre near you in 2055 if we keep buying this crap. Would have been nice if these figures could have been released with the new GL dvd. I would have liked to see how it affected the demand on the GL and Sinestro figures.
    Last edited by megocrazy; Jul 27, '09, 10:56 AM.
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    • chunky B
      Museum Eclectic Collector
      • Apr 9, 2009
      • 335

      #17
      Originally posted by thunderbolt
      The price wasn't bad at 14.99 a pop, but the lack of the big guns in the first wave, unless you found them at Target as an exclusive, was one of the big killers. The scale was probably done based on the FC stuff. The Hasbro figures were superior to the FC's. Quality and consistency in the line was better.
      I'm going to agree I think the exclusive nature of the big guns in the first wave made it not as popular with the general public. It was pure luck that I even found mine, they were tucked away on a end cap, nowhere near the action figure aisle.

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      • chunky B
        Museum Eclectic Collector
        • Apr 9, 2009
        • 335

        #18
        Originally posted by Earth 2 Chris
        That Wonder Woman was a huge let down. I never did know if Hasbro actually produced that figure or not. She reminds me of those huge chunks of petroleum Applause used to sell as Star Wars figures. The sculpt is nice, but her skin is all oily...yuck. She doesn't fit in well with the others.

        I can't add anything more that others haven't said on the failure of these. Most were very nicely done, but for some reason, every version of Superman and Batman had issues (except for the Kane Batman). I love the idea of the Dick Sprang Batman and Robin, but poor Robin got some half-arsed treatment for sure.

        Chris
        I always thought she was ceramic, I never picked he up, because I never considered her park of the line. I think the Robin was a left over Anikin body from the Hasbro Phantom Menace line.

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        • BlackKnight
          The DarkSide Customizer
          • Apr 16, 2005
          • 14622

          #19
          I have all of these ... that were made,.. but the 1st appearance Batman...
          I love these,.. some of the best cloth Super Hero's to Date.
          I wish the Line would have continued.
          I think the Line failed,.. because children these Days could careless about a Cloth figure,.. with Power Rangers,. Transformers, Bionicles, those Card Games & Video Games.
          ... The Original Knight ..., Often Imitated, However Never Duplicated. The 1st Knight in Customs.


          always trading for Hot Toys Figures .

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          • MIB41
            Eloquent Member
            • Sep 25, 2005
            • 15633

            #20
            EMCE and Castaway have been successful so I have to believe a bigger marketplace will translate into greater success. Obviously production volume might be more of a consideration here. That may be why some figures in the Hasbro line were hard to find.

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            • grayhank
              That Fisher Price Guy
              • Feb 9, 2007
              • 1134

              #21
              Wonder Woman was part of the line but she was a bookstore (Borders, Waldenbooks, etc.) exclusive. She did come with a hardcover book but the pricepoint was $49.99 which I'm sure was a turn-off for most collectors. She's sort of a hybrid between a statue and a figure. Her legs do in fact have articulation under that rubber skin but that is about it.



              I do agree that one of the major problems with these figures is that they were almost all exclusives. Green Arrow, Green Lantern and Aquaman were the only ones that weren't. Exclusives are perhaps the main killer of any toyline. The only one I never picked up was Batman Beyond because it was an FAO Schwartz exclusive (which is why he isn't represented in my pics).
              Last edited by grayhank; Jul 27, '09, 12:23 PM.
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              • ramsey37
                • Jun 18, 2001
                • 0

                #22
                I owned several of these figures years back but eventually sold them all off. I kinda wish I'd kept the Martian Manhunter now, but I suppose he's easy enough to pick up cheap these days
                George

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                • Werewolf
                  Inhuman
                  • Jul 14, 2003
                  • 14978

                  #23
                  1 9 inches tall
                  2 Most are ugly
                  3 Ill fitting clothes
                  4 Poorly distributed sporadic releases
                  You are a bold and courageous person, afraid of nothing. High on a hill top near your home, there stands a dilapidated old mansion. Some say the place is haunted, but you don't believe in such myths. One dark and stormy night, a light appears in the topmost window in the tower of the old house. You decide to investigate... and you never return...

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                  • Cosmicman
                    Permanent Member
                    • Jul 12, 2005
                    • 4794

                    #24
                    If anybody is selling that Wonder Woman, shoot me a Instant message. I could use the parts and shrink down the head for my golden age Wonder Woman I have made.


                    I do have a Superman, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Green Lantern and a Martian left if anybody wants them. I can't do **** with them. Bad investments back in the day.
                    Last edited by Cosmicman; Jul 27, '09, 12:49 PM.
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                    • grayhank
                      That Fisher Price Guy
                      • Feb 9, 2007
                      • 1134

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Wrathdemon
                      If anybody is selling that Wonder Woman, shoot me a Instant message. I could use the parts and shrink down the head for my golden age Wonder Woman I have made.


                      I do have a Superman, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Green Lantern and a Martian left if anybody wants them. I can't do **** with them. Bad investments back in the day.

                      I don't think you would be able to use her head. It's made of very hard plastic. But here's a cheap one currently on Ebay.

                      WONDER WOMAN MASTERPIECE EDITION FIGURE DOLL & BOOK SET - eBay (item 360173447146 end time Jul-29-09 1700 PDT)
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                      • jwyblejr
                        galactic yo-yo
                        • Apr 6, 2006
                        • 11147

                        #26
                        I think timing is also another thing that did them in. Hasbro and at the time Toy Biz,had the 5" stuff already out there,then came out with these. I'm sure there were quite a few people out there thinking to them selves "not more stuff to buy."

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                        • Megotu
                          jerk
                          • Dec 16, 2001
                          • 10738

                          #27
                          I think one of the things that could really help any Mego type line is:




                          A reason to open the box.



                          Batman and Robin without a Batmobile is silly. No Hall of Justice? No Batcave? These can really push the line out of JUST the collectors hands and into the kids hands. If you only want to sell a thousand dolls, fine. The collectors can do that. If you want to sell 50,000 dolls, you need something for them to do.
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                          • AAAAA
                            Permanent Member
                            • Oct 28, 2005
                            • 2505

                            #28
                            I have only Batman/Bruce wayne (Diamond select)
                            and wonder woman with i got for 5.99 at the bookstore.
                            hate the feet and the rst was very hard to find.

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                            • thunderbolt
                              Hi Ernie!!!
                              • Feb 15, 2004
                              • 34211

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Wrathdemon
                              If anybody is selling that Wonder Woman, shoot me a Instant message. I could use the parts and shrink down the head for my golden age Wonder Woman I have made.


                              I do have a Superman, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Green Lantern and a Martian left if anybody wants them. I can't do **** with them. Bad investments back in the day.
                              I've got a cast of the WW head if you would like to discuss a trade. IMO its closer to Mego than DC9
                              You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie Banks

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                              • ctc
                                Fear the monkeybat!
                                • Aug 16, 2001
                                • 11183

                                #30
                                >Was it simply because they were 9" scale instead of 8"?

                                That'd definitely put off the Mego fans, but I don't know if it'd bother anyone else.

                                >Was it the head sculpts? Was it the lack of removable clothing (i.e. boots, gloves, etc.).

                                I think what happened was a culmination of a few things:

                                -Collectors wouldn't be interested 'cos articulatiuon doesn't matter to a modern collector. Detail does. And they don't have the detail of the semi-articulated statues that have been coming out the last 10 years.

                                -Kids might be interested; but the glued on accessories take away something from play. I saw it explained that one of the things that made the original GI Joe popular was that they were a "tactile feast." Lots of accessories, lots of things to play with, swap, alter.... Like articulated figures, it gives a kid something to do. The 9" scale can be a problem too, since the characters are an odd scale and won't look right with other lines. Which further limits play. (Who DIDN'T hve their CAHs beat up on Darth Vader when we were kids?)

                                -Price is an issue too. A collector isn't gonna shell out for something that's not hyper-detailed; and a parent isn't gonna want to spend a lot on something their kid is gonna destroy anyway.

                                -I'm just concerned that these new versions of Mego will end up with the same fate.

                                I think it'll come down to cost and saturation. If they sell cheap enough to still count as toys they'll do great. If not, it'll be a trick juggling how many to make vs how many are gonna move, but even that can be done. If we get fifteen Batman variants I think it'll be over quickly.

                                ....but what kid WOULDN'T want an Angel O'Day and Sam Simeon to harass their 8" Dr Kromedome?

                                Don C.

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