Up Close: Wolverine

[huedell]

If it wasn't for mego, none of these would exist. This statement confuses me. What is the point you are trying to make? It's okay for the new Emce figure to suck because Mego existed, and so did Famous covers?

No that is not the point I'm trying to make. It wouldn't really help my argument, would it?

I already made my point. Which is the designs of the character and the type of format are similar, so of course there are going be similarities between Emce's Wolvie and FCs. You didn't buy that as a reason for similarities, and said there was no argument that there were similarities...which to me is a pointless point, as I said in my reply because if Mego WGSH didn't exist neither would FC in the FIRST place. If you don't get what I'm saying...fine.... 'cause I didn't really get your original FC/Emce point either.

This pic????:

Yeah, let's go with this look. Like Mego would have done...

PERFECT example of a grudge against FC and totally taking my point (and this debate) down the wrong road. What does that pic have to do with anything, other than some contorted offshoot of the discussion based on problems carried for years with FC Mego customs?? Are YOU trying to say that's a pic of the new Emce Wolvie?

Emce's has better proportions than that. But I don't need to state that, do I?

You make a good point.
So anything Mego did "wrong", should be copied and if possible made worse? Huh?

Nah.

He makes a "poor" point.

As that's not what I was saying to begin with (see above).

It's okay to disagree on the figures etc----but we have to understand the argument first.

You make a good point that the Universal Monsters were fantastic and the Marvel sets are not.

Taken on it's own...your statement? I have to say I agree the monsters have a lot of positives that certain aspects of the Wolvie pack (and other Marvel packs don't hit as well), but, again, we're straying off the main debates discussed about Wolvie specifically.

[huedell]

Vintage Mego boots varied in thickness of course, and FF (really, Mr. Fantastic) boots tended to be more thickly-cast than earlier boots, of other colors. Alternatively, the TT boots I've handled, of whichever character, have been thin vinyl. I've seen more variance in Falcon & Thor boots.

To me, Emce's yellow Wolverine does suggest Famous Covers in a mostly unflattering way. I would say that the FC mask was actually a bit more practical and had better aesthetic lines than the FTC cowl. But the Emce boots, although similar, are actually a slimmer sculpt than FC.


As to "the Mego aesthetic", it's pretty easy (for me at least) to see that the brown version succeeds better as "Mego Mark II.

Yes, I may have erred with my "Titans" mention, but you seem to understand at least somewhat where I'm coming from, which is a rarity in this thread, so, tip of the hat

Just for the record, I'll say once again, that I never denied similarities to FC's Wolvie....it's just the matter of how those similarities have been integrated into the new Emce Wolvie and this thread's FC comparison overkill that I was pointing out (among other things), such as the seemingly odd desire by those to have an obviously replica-esque retro Mego WGSH line like Emce's go into such obviously inappropriate territory (as far as modern aesthetics ala my "Flatt's" comment)----
---then, someone mentioned "Hot Toys", and I just have to throw my hands in the air, shrug my shoulders and agree to disagree on this one overall.

I WILL say kudos once more to Emce----not only on the Wolvie pack----but, I think their Thor pack was pretty cool too.

[wise guy]

I am not sure what the debate is because some of us collector's are disappointed wth these and others really like these sets. When I started on Megomuseum
back in Dec I thought that was a forun to discuss the good and bad just like every toy forum I have read but people on this site get Mad if you are'nt a
Yes man that has to like everthing produced by their favorite companies

[Spyweb007]

No matter what we think of these sets as adult collectors, there is no doubt in my mind that this retro yellow Wolverine would have been a must have for every one of our seven year old selves had Mego released it exactly like this back in the day, flaws and all, and probably be one of the more sought after megos today. He's not perfect, Mego Batman is goofy, Mego Captain America is goofy and has big costume errors, and those flaws always bothered me, and yet at the same time I've always loved them all, flaws and all. Mego has always had a way of getting things so wrong and yet so right at the same time.

[huedell]

I am not sure what the debate is because some of us collector's are disappointed wth these and others really like these sets. When I started on Megomuseum
back in Dec I thought that was a forun to discuss the good and bad just like every toy forum I have read but people on this site get Mad if you are'nt a
Yes man that has to like everthing produced by their favorite companies

I'm not mad---and the only reason you're getting this impression is because of the people who took my original post personally----and just started going off on odd inapplicable tangents. Since then, I've just been "putting out fires" regarding the total misconceptions thread posters have had here regarding my original comments and the sub-debates they wrought---most notably FC Wolverine similarities.

I truly hope you don't think I'm looking for "yes" men---more like "think" men Or "not assume" man. That'd work too.

When I have to use phrases like "I never said..." multiple times in a reply, maybe that's a cue for me to say it's not worth discussing anymore.

[huedell]

Annnd....since this conversation has gotten so off-track, and I feel like the point, so lost that I can't bring it back to point----I've included a custom-thought comparison pic, taking into consideration those that have brought Famous Covers into the discussion... mind you, a discussion where I never said there WASN'T FC similarities, I just said that I couldn't believe there were so many complaints over such a Megoey figure (and what I/we thought about the FC was a whole other discussion IMHO)----

Despite the apparent miscommunication, and since FC is such a big deal here, maybe the FC mentions/pics ultimately may be a good way to diagram the original point I was making, hopefully in a context that is more obvious to those that have a problem with the FC similarities and those that don't. If not----then, oh well, I gave it a shot

[LonnieFisher]

huedell,
If you ever shrunk a pair of FC boots, you might understand a little better my point. I shrunk them down and they fit and look almost exactly like the Emce boots. You talk about similarities, I'm talking design copying. Emce made a smaller version of the Famous Covers figure. They didn't put thought into making a "Mego Wolverine" with yellow and blue. The orange and brown looks like Mego would have done. They knew that the RC Batman sucked, so they changed it! Never used it again. Never came close to another male wearing anything like it. So to say Mego would have made a RC Wolverine is just ignorant. Mego would not have used Iron Man's giant armored gloves to make gloves that were supposed to be a representation of cloth. Just look at the Green Arrow figure. Colored hands and material for the upper glove. Since they started making character specific hands and accessories, he probably would have had fists with claws attached like the brown and orange Emce figure came with. Since the comic Wolverine has slim topped boots, they would have been made like Thor's boots, out of thinner material. His belt also would have been sewn into the costume, like Thor's. You don't seem to be very familiar with the actual Mego line that came out in the 70s. Since Mego wouldn't have made the Wolverine removable gloves, fat boots, or removable cowl, the figure isn't Mego like at all. The mask also would have had longer, skinnier points.
You should research the Mego company and what they produced, before commenting on what they would or would not have made.
Thanks.

[LonnieFisher]

They should have made the yellow and blue costume in the style of the brown and orange one and put it in the Mego style box as the "Mego interpretation". The brown and orange outfit could have been made like the FC copy, and it would have worked as a "modern interpretation". That's my whole problem with it. Which I guess I wasn't getting across very well. This should clarify my statements, so everybody understands, even huedell.

[huedell]

You should research the Mego company and what they produced, ...

Not that this can be definitively defined, but I've "put in my time" as far as "Mego research"---first, by being involved with many high-end customizers over the years, and, secondly, merely by perusing these threads for a long, long time.

They knew that the RC Batman sucked, so they changed it! Never used it again. Never came close to another male wearing anything like it. So to say Mego would have made a RC Wolverine is just ignorant.

You'll have to excuse that I think you using the word "ignorant" is ignorant, in that I've been on these boards for along time, and I never, EVER heard that the RC was taken out of production because "they knew RC Batman sucked"---but, I HAVE heard that they took the cowl out of the line as a cost-cutting measure MANY times.

But, even if you were correct on your info, it doesn't negate that if you spoke to many members on this board---many children that played with Megos as kids, well, in 2015 they are BIG fans of RC Batman---RC Batman is iconic Mego, and Wolverine with that cowl appears to be a pretty dead-on tribute to that WGSH Batman cowl.

.... what they would or would not have made.

But, that can be defined differently...and this Lonnie, is one of my main gripes. I lean much towards that meaning "stuck in their hey-day" than "what they would have done from 1980 onward."

These are retro figures, and they deserve to reference the original Mego WGSH as much as is feasible---especially for the ones where it's obvious that's what they're trying to do in a line that is more "replica" than most already. I mean, at least in the FC line---there was no reason why they couldn't go all out "modernizing" in every possible way...even on old school characters.

I think it's a cop out to say "Oh you want them to suck" then---its just a blanket statement meant to instigate and doesn't really address anything directly.

We can agree to disagree, but when you go off on assumptions of what I'm trying to say, spurred on by your inarguably intimate affair with FC Wolverine, then the point gets muddled, and the simple "Well, I don't agree." is less accessible.

Since the comic Wolverine has slim topped boots, they would have been made like Thor's boots, out of thinner material. His belt also would have been sewn into the costume, like Thor's. You don't seem to be very familiar with the actual Mego line that came out in the 70s. Since Mego wouldn't have made the Wolverine removable gloves, fat boots, or removable cowl, the figure isn't Mego like at all. The mask also would have had longer, skinnier points. .

Those are good assumptions about "What Mego would have done" but, ultimately, tere's not only "one" way that Mego would have done ANY of those things back in the day. Again, I'll say that Emce's takes a pretty darn Megoey approach to their retro Wolvie--- and, any similarities to FC's---well, I think it's that same FC hero, same FC format mindset that makes Emce's Wolvie darn Megoey BECAUSE of similar choices, because of IMPROVEMENTS on those choices, and in SPITE of those choices too.

[huedell]

They should have made the yellow and blue costume in the style of the brown and orange one and put it in the Mego style box as the "Mego interpretation". The brown and orange outfit could have been made like the FC copy, and it would have worked as a "modern interpretation". That's my whole problem with it. Which I guess I wasn't getting across very well. This should clarify my statements, so everybody understands, even huedell.

I'm pretty sure if you would have made that statement, then our specific debate wouldn't have ignited. It shows some kind of acknowledgement of a Mego asthetic which I wasn't getting at all from your posts.

On that note, I could see people painting the brown head yellow, and using the yellow body, and it all coming off pretty Megoey still. Again, though, it's only my opinion.

[Teemu]

I'm pretty sure if you would have made that statement, then our specific debate wouldn't have ignited. It shows some kind of acknowledgement of a Mego asthetic which I wasn't getting at all from your posts.

On that note, I could see people painting the brown head yellow, and using the yellow body, and it all coming off pretty Megoey still. Again, though, it's only my opinion.

thought about that....but it's dealing with the hands part to match that makes that more difficult (blue cuffs and blue hands)

[Krypt0nite]

As far as hands for yellow Wolverine, I'm going to try FTC's blue gloved hands, blue wrist gauntlets and try to glue the claws onto them.

[comicmike]

...i'm *still* drooling over this set...it's just awesome...awesome...

[Timothy2251]

Just noticed my Wolverine set has a faint black line on the belt of the Brown/Orange suit, going the length of the belt. No idea why, looks like I can probably remove it with some cleaner.