Star Trek: Discovery

[Sideshow Spock]

We're getting awfully close to a political discussion here, aren't we? I couldn't care less about your prime minister, or your views on Canada's "multicultural" constitution. Let's just leave that nonsense out of this forum, please.

Wow, look at you with your three months and 63 posts laying down the law to a respected 10 year member..

You probably should just quit while you're behind.

Maybe send an email off to Fuller recommending your services in correctly interpreting Gene's vision.. you know.. so the show doesn't end up so radically, tragically flawed..

[Majere]

Good for Bryan Fuller for announcing a Canadian as his first hire in the form of Hannibal and Cube director Vincenzo Natali. 8)

I still see no such indication of overt politics from what Bryan Fuller has stated in the rather thin-in-content interview you've cited. Lots of speculation from the interviewer, but even Fuller's loosely stated "progressive" plans aren't trailblazing anywhere Trek hasn't already gone before in any of it's iterations. Nor have I really seen overt politics in any of his previous shows, Dead Like Me, Wonderfalls, Pushing Daisies, the 13 Mockingbird Lane pilot, and Hannibal. I think your fears are simply a certain degree of projection here, given that we haven't really seen any such evidence in past work, nor any true indication of how the show will actually play out.

and no, it is obviously not the same for anyone living in the western world. At least in Canada, because we're the only country on this planet with multiculturalism written into its constitution, and that's the way it's been for close to a half century. What you still consider "New Left" politics, we've ratified across the spectrum for the past decade, and merely see it as an equitable way of life for everyone, from Right, Left, Upside Down, and Inside Out, all agree debate is closed every time someone tries to dredge it back up. We're actually living utopian 23rd century Star Trek lifestyles up here. I live in the most culturally diverse city in the whole wide world and for the most part, everyone gets along. We're the federation with toques and snowmobiles instead of replicators and nacelles. Because our Prime Minister is a Trekkie.

seriously!

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/05/12/justin-trudeau-nerd_n_9858520.html

We're getting awfully close to a political discussion here, aren't we? I couldn't care less about your prime minister, or your views on Canada's "multicultural" constitution. Let's just leave that nonsense out of this forum, please.

[samurainoir]

Which is why I offered no opinion on political issues, only a fear that personal politics would be inserted into the franchise.

http://collider.com/new-star-trek-series-details/

I think it is fairly obvious what the new Left stands for to anyone living in the western world. But as this is not a forum for politics, I will not discuss it further.

Good for Bryan Fuller for announcing a Canadian as his first hire in the form of Hannibal and Cube director Vincenzo Natali. 8)

I still see no such indication of overt politics from what Bryan Fuller has stated in the rather thin-in-content interview you've cited. Lots of speculation from the interviewer, but even Fuller's loosely stated "progressive" plans aren't trailblazing anywhere Trek hasn't already gone before in any of it's iterations. Nor have I really seen overt politics in any of his previous shows, Dead Like Me, Wonderfalls, Pushing Daisies, the 13 Mockingbird Lane pilot, and Hannibal. I think your fears are simply a certain degree of projection here, given that we haven't really seen any such evidence in past work, nor any true indication of how the show will actually play out.

and no, it is obviously not the same for anyone living in the western world. At least in Canada, because we're the only country on this planet with multiculturalism written into its constitution, and that's the way it's been for close to a half century. What you still consider "New Left" politics, we've ratified across the spectrum for the past decade, and merely see it as an equitable way of life for everyone, from Right, Left, Upside Down, and Inside Out, all agree debate is closed every time someone tries to dredge it back up. We're actually living utopian 23rd century Star Trek lifestyles up here. I live in the most culturally diverse city in the whole wide world and for the most part, everyone gets along. We're the federation with toques and snowmobiles instead of replicators and nacelles. Because our Prime Minister is a Trekkie.

seriously!

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/05/12/justin-trudeau-nerd_n_9858520.html

[Spyweb007]

Should be interesting to see what they come up with, I miss Trek on TV.

[hedrap]

I picked up on the Klingon look and sound too. They originally said this would take place after Undiscovered Country, so maybe it is a Klingon/Federation collaboration on the ship design with a crew combining both?

I think that was before Hemsworth signed on for Trek4. The Discovery ship number alone should mean it's pre-1701. The asteroid docking station is also a classic 70's sci-fi concept about how early space travel would occur. Then add the McQuarrie model and a very Jerry Goldsmith score.

So after Enterprise but before TOS. That would also explain the hardline crackdown on fan films. Axanar was mining those same pre-Kirk decades.

I would not be shocked if the fan films were used as the pitch for the new series. It's SOP for producers to utilize anything where the copyright is ambiguous as a pre-viz cost-saving measure. Fuller implied at SDCC they have a rights issue to hammer out with McQuarrie's estate.

[Majere]

Just as you prefer to leave the politics out of the show, we tend to try to leave the politics out of the Mego Museum forum discussion as best we can.
(it's actually policy around these here parts)

Which is why I offered no opinion on political issues, only a fear that personal politics would be inserted into the franchise.

I personally don't see any kind of political agendas in Hannibal or Pushing Daisies, which are a couple of my favourite shows, but I believe they are also fairly wide open to interpretation, given the heightened dream-atmosphere of the former and the whimsical fantasy landscape of the latter.

http://collider.com/new-star-trek-series-details/

Keeping in mind the goalposts of what I perceive as "Left" or "Right" are radically different than someone below the physical and cultural border of say, the 49th parallel, eh? 8)

I think it is fairly obvious what the new Left stands for to anyone living in the western world. But as this is not a forum for politics, I will not discuss it further.

[samurainoir]

The thing I am wary of is Fuller all but guaranteeing that this show will serve to further the Leftist politicial agenda that is dominating the entertainment industry at the moment. Star Trek and Gene Roddenberry's progressive ideals have very little in common with that of the new Left, and I would really just prefer people who don't understand Gene's views to leave the politics out of the show altogether, rather than insert their own radically flawed interpretation of it.

Just as you prefer to leave the politics out of the show, we tend to try to leave the politics out of the Mego Museum forum discussion as best we can.
(it's actually policy around these here parts)

I personally don't see any kind of political agendas in Hannibal or Pushing Daisies, which are a couple of my favourite shows, but I believe they are also fairly wide open to interpretation, given the heightened dream-atmosphere of the former and the whimsical fantasy landscape of the latter.

Keeping in mind the goalposts of what I perceive as "Left" or "Right" are radically different than someone below the physical and cultural border of say, the 49th parallel, eh? 8)

[Sideshow Spock]

The anthology approach was rumored, but it Fuller has apparently debunked it.

Yeah, I should correct what I wrote earlier, Fuller hasn't really discussed what would be in store for season 2, whether it would be a completely different "everything" than what we saw in S1. What he has said is that the 13 episode S1 will tell a complete story ("like a novel, and each ep is like a chapter"), and the story line will complete with the end of season.

He also said more than one crew will be featured. Again, he didn't really mention if that includes S1, or refers to subsequent seasons..

[sprytel]

The anthology approach was rumored, but it Fuller has apparently debunked it.

[Majere]

The show is a season long anthology then, like True Detective?

I'm on board with it because I'm a fan of Bryan Fuller, but traditionally Trek fans are creatures of habit who are seeking familiarity in their Trek. Will they buy into a rotating ever changing season long series of shows with new characters/concepts rotating in and out? One way of keeping things fresh and from getting stale and predictable as they often did with many of the previous shows, but it's also as easy to jump off as it is to jump on these kind of programs.

I can accept any aesthetic changes they make, and have long argued for a more serialized form of story telling.

The thing I am wary of is Fuller all but guaranteeing that this show will serve to further the Leftist politicial agenda that is dominating the entertainment industry at the moment. Star Trek and Gene Roddenberry's progressive ideals have very little in common with that of the new Left, and I would really just prefer people who don't understand Gene's views to leave the politics out of the show altogether, rather than insert their own radically flawed interpretation of it.

[samurainoir]

^Well, put it this way - if you don't like the first season, maybe you'll like the second, since it will be a whole new storyline with different characters in a different time period..

The show is a season long anthology then, like True Detective?

I'm on board with it because I'm a fan of Bryan Fuller, but traditionally Trek fans are creatures of habit who are seeking familiarity in their Trek. Will they buy into a rotating ever changing season long series of shows with new characters/concepts rotating in and out? One way of keeping things fresh and from getting stale and predictable as they often did with many of the previous shows, but it's also as easy to jump off as it is to jump on these kind of programs.

[Spyweb007]

looks a little Klingon-y. The music reminds me of Klingon themes from the movies, too.

I picked up on the Klingon look and sound too. They originally said this would take place after Undiscovered Country, so maybe it is a Klingon/Federation collaboration on the ship design with a crew combining both?

[emeraldknight47]

I definitely remember seeing the Ralph McQuarrie designs in "The Art of Star Trek." Gotta say this from the heart, the man was, and still is, a design genius, but this design for a Federation ship (which, to me, kinda looks like a Dreadnought class cruiser and an Imperial Star Destroyer bumped uglies and had a love child) never did anything at all for me, so to see it in the trailer just kind of leaves me "meh" and has me sort of feeling like the creative minds behind this are still trying to make STAR TREK be more like STAR WARS (as if J.J. Abrams didn't already contribute enough to that effort).

This ship's design has no---grace. Angles work fine on a Star Destroyer, but not on a Federation ship. The warp nacelle configuration definitely looks like someone from the Federation slipped into some Klingon shipyards and decided to copy the array design. It's---clunky, and in no way looks like it would have followed Archer's Enterprise NX-01 (a ship design I still, to this day, find quite appealing). The huge, triangular connections to the nacelles feel like something that ships prior to Archer's Enterprise may have required before engineers and scientists realized there is no friction in space and the nacelle connections could be streamlined considerably, not only to improve looks and maneuverability, but also to cut down on the overall weight of the vessel, which would, in turn, require less fuel/energy expenditure.

My other problem in watching the trailer is the same problem I'm having with a lot of CG stuff these days: it LOOKS too CG. It's too damn clean. In order to make stuff look more "real," they need to step back and take a look at the footage of ships in space that were filmed using models. Even though they're of course nowhere near the size that they're supposed to portray on screen, models still have weight, heft and, yeah, they're a little dirtier, but that's what real life frequently looks like. The footage in this trailer looks to me to be shots from an upcoming computer game. It's cleanliness and exactness doesn't lend itself to the willing suspension of disbelief that one should be able to experience to even imagine for a moment that what we're seeing is real. I dunno, maybe they'll dirty it up before the show airs.

[Sideshow Spock]

^Well, put it this way - if you don't like the first season, maybe you'll like the second, since it will be a whole new storyline with different characters in a different time period..

[Majere]

Not feeling it. Not feeling the series, to be honest. I'd love for it to be the best Star Trek series ever, but I just don't have a good feeling about it.