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  • johnmiic
    Adrift
    • Sep 6, 2002
    • 8427

    Sucker Punch w/Spoilers Thread

    Don't read this thread if you don't want to know about spoilers!

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    I liked it but I wasn't sold on it. This isn't a review but things that occurred to me after seeing it.

    The set-up is really contrived I think. We are expected to absorb 3 layers of sympathy for Baby Doll. Her Mother dies. Her Stepfather is a greedy, money-grubbing murderer/molester,(?), who is left out of the will-but knows how to fix that and her sister is killed. Why? This is to make her a triple underdog? She's placed in an asylum with a crooked Doctor as well. So not only do we know she doesn't belong there but if that didn't make us root for her escape the Doctor was thrown in to cinch it. I think it could have done without the framework. Why couldn't this have been a time travel story? Or a real fantasy film or Alternate History/Adventure? Plus I really love how the Creepy Doctor/pimp has a solo song/dance during the end credits. Well, he's perverse, dishonest and cruel but can he really be that bad if he has a song in his heart? LOL!

    The Fantasy sequences are damn good but they don't add up except for the fact that Scott Glen's character said Baby Doll had to retrieve the 5 specific items. Each time she imagines herself in a mix of pseudo-wartime eras w/fantasy elements. When I took film class I was told this is called Post-Modernism. I never really bought the theory of Post-Modernism and I usually reject it when directors use it.

    What is really astounding is Sucker Punch is is a period film and takes place in the 1950's. That means Baby doll imagines Robotech battle-suits and futuristic assault army weapons before they were ever created, (I can't blame her for the Robots or jet packs because they were a huge Sci-Fi staple in SF books). I have to ask why aren't they using lasers or ray guns? Probably because you can't film spent cartridges falling out of the weapon in slo-mo.

    Many times I get the feeling Zach Snyder is trying to remake the Matrix. The scene in the Temple and in the Trenches really impressed that upon me. Baby Doll cartwheeling so bullets don't hit her. Gravity defying leaps and jumps. So many bullet casings doing slo-mo ballet-like dances. Some from the same angles the Wachowski Bros. used in the first Matrix film too! What a homage!

    Maybe Sandy can answer me this: if the lights on set keep getting reflected in the lens shouldn't the Director or the DP do something about it? In one angle-no reflection. When we flip to the other angle-relfected! Are they leaving it in just for style? Does it make a more powerful statement when we only get the reflection from one angle? Or is it really like all the atmosphereric flare lighting J.J.Abrams used in Star Trek 2009-only more subtle?

    Things in the fantasy are mirrored in real life. Rocket really died because the fat butcher filled with rage caught her stealing a knife, (no stereotype there, eh?). But does that mean Amber and Blondie were killed too? In the fantasy world if they are dead, Sweet Pea is sent to the time-out room and the Doctor is going to rape Baby Doll; who is left to dance on stage for the audience? The show is about to start.

    In the end Sweet Pea turns out to be the narrator and escapes. Why? Baby Doll has more of a connection with Rocket for having saved her. Why not Rocket? The kid in the trenches: is he the guardian angel? I though Scott Glen was? Or was the early appearance of the kid a clue that it wasn't Baby-Doll's story but Sweet Pea's?

    I dunno. I think the film has some good parts but like The Hitchhiker's Guide Film or like the film Magnolia, it's still a mess.
    Last edited by johnmiic; Mar 29, '11, 9:15 PM.
  • Cmonster
    Banned
    • Feb 6, 2010
    • 1877

    #2
    This was the first film I've ever seen, where my eyes literally hurt after i watched it. Utter garbage... Nothing of any substance ANYWHERE in the movie. No point of view, no message, no character arc, nothing to learn or gain and no real story. A mess is putting it mildly...

    SC

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    • kingdom warrior
      OH JES!!
      • Jul 21, 2005
      • 12478

      #3
      Yes it's a mess.......story left me cold and i sat there trying to understand and it went nowhere....I got it but it didn't want to make me feel sorry for Babydoll.......although she's some eye candy.....the action sequences were spectacular and that was enough for me.

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      • StrangeVisitor
        Career Member
        • May 13, 2007
        • 598

        #4
        Originally posted by johnmiic
        What is really astounding is Sucker Punch is is a period film and takes place in the 1950's. That means Baby doll imagines Robotech battle-suits and futuristic assault army weapons before they were ever created...
        This had me scratching my head too. I think that the setting is much like that of Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events where it is a mythic 1950's (or whenever) so this can explain away any anachronisms.

        Originally posted by johnmiic
        In the end Sweet Pea turns out to be the narrator and escapes. Why? Baby Doll has more of a connection with Rocket for having saved her. Why not Rocket? ...Or was the early appearance of the kid a clue that it wasn't Baby-Doll's story but Sweet Pea's?

        I dunno. I think the film has some good parts but ... it's still a mess.
        The BabyDoll/ SweetPea relationship/connection is shown very early on, BD is in a chair as the Doctor approaches with the lobotomy tool, suddenly the scene shifts and it's SP dressed as BD , onstage acting out a faux lobotomy, they've traded places. At the end they have to switch places once again.

        Originally posted by Cmonster
        . Utter garbage... Nothing of any substance ANYWHERE in the movie. No point of view, no message, no character arc, nothing to learn or gain and no real story. A mess is putting it mildly...

        SC
        Originally posted by kingdom warrior
        Yes it's a mess.......story left me cold and i sat there trying to understand and it went nowhere....I got it but it didn't want to make me feel sorry for Babydoll.......although she's some eye candy.....the action sequences were spectacular and that was enough for me.
        I've liked Snyder's flicks from his Dawn of the Dead to Watchmen, which deserved more attention than it got, but this one just felt empty, for all of the pretty action/ fantasy sequences none of them felt like they mattered or had any impact to the story at all. More than that, Snyder failed to establish any emotional connection between the audience and the lead characters. I hope that Nolan administers a firm guiding hand on the upcoming Superman.

        "Eye candy" is a perfect description here, nothing but empty cinematic calories.
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        • megoscott
          Founding Partner
          • Nov 17, 2006
          • 8710

          #5
          The Babydoll character was such a blank. I can't see why the step-father didn't figure into the end, shouldn't he have been the final bad guy boss she has to deal with? He was way worse than the orderly. I had the same question, did he murder the two girls in "real life".

          We thought it should have had more layers of unreality--the switch from the asylum to a bordello was one, but then it should have switched a few more times, layering the descent into madness. I think he had a ton of ideas but needed a few more.

          I'm glad I saw it, it was an interesting failure.
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          • Cmonster
            Banned
            • Feb 6, 2010
            • 1877

            #6
            Originally posted by StrangeVisitor
            More than that, Snyder failed to establish any emotional connection between the audience and the lead characters.
            And therefore, FAILED as a film director. There you have it. No more really needs to be said...

            SC

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            • bobws
              Permanent Member
              • Feb 13, 2008
              • 3479

              #7
              I went and saw it for the cute girls and........ that's all you get when you walk away from it .
              "Hang on Lady... We go for a RIDE!" - Shorty to Willie Scott.Best movie line from Indiana Jones & the Temple Of Doom

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              • kingdom warrior
                OH JES!!
                • Jul 21, 2005
                • 12478

                #8
                Originally posted by Cmonster
                And therefore, FAILED as a film director. There you have it. No more really needs to be said...

                SC
                True Sandy, but you know in Hollywood you Fail up, Critics can hate it but if this movie makes back the money spent it's a success it's all about da Dolla bill...

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                • Werewolf
                  Inhuman
                  • Jul 14, 2003
                  • 14961

                  #9
                  I had not even heard of this movie until you guys started to talk about it so I looked it up and read the reviews and plot. One word, yuck.

                  If the film maker wanted to make an exploitation movie, fine. Just be honest about it. It's disingenuous and beyond sleazy to try to dress it up and pretend it's some kind of twisted female empowerment movie. Oversexualized jailbait looking abused women is not female empowerment.

                  Of all the places Babydoll could have imagined to take her away from the abuse, pain and misery she thinks up a *****house. Yeah, an abused young woman in the 1950s imagines a ***** house to take her away from the pain. Not an idealized Ozzie and Harriet 50s homelife, not princess in a storybook fairy tale, etc. No, she picks a ***** house and then runs through various scanticlad girls with guns stereotypical twisted male fantasies. So I guess the "message" of this movie is women can only escape abuse in their minds by imagining stereotypical twisted male fantasies but still can't actually win in the real world.

                  This is nothing but some twisted male sexual fantasy pretending to be something other than it is. It's insulting to men and a huge middle finger to women. It's an empty ugly movie. Still, I can't muster any kind of sense of real outrage. Maybe I could if I had any kind of respect for or expected better from hollywood. But I think of the source, sigh, and write it off.
                  Last edited by Werewolf; Mar 29, '11, 1:06 PM.
                  You are a bold and courageous person, afraid of nothing. High on a hill top near your home, there stands a dilapidated old mansion. Some say the place is haunted, but you don't believe in such myths. One dark and stormy night, a light appears in the topmost window in the tower of the old house. You decide to investigate... and you never return...

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                  • Brazoo
                    Permanent Member
                    • Feb 14, 2009
                    • 4767

                    #10
                    Sounds like it was exactly what I thought of it from the trailer. An Image Comic brought to life or basically the unfocused rambling of an excitable and horny 13 year-old boy who saw "The Matrix" too many times and thought it was really deep.

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                    • thunderbolt
                      Hi Ernie!!!
                      • Feb 15, 2004
                      • 34211

                      #11
                      And this is the guy that's going to make Superman "relevant"?
                      You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie Banks

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                      • megoscott
                        Founding Partner
                        • Nov 17, 2006
                        • 8710

                        #12
                        I'm gonna quote a friend that I agree with: It's Inception meets Moulin Rouge with video game fights where the musical and dance numbers would be. What's not to like?
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                        • Brazoo
                          Permanent Member
                          • Feb 14, 2009
                          • 4767

                          #13
                          Originally posted by MegoScott
                          I'm gonna quote a friend that I agree with: It's Inception meets Moulin Rouge with video game fights where the musical and dance numbers would be. What's not to like?
                          Uh oh. Is THAT what it is for real?

                          If it's really insane I would see it - my fear is that it's a poor man's "Pan's Labyrinth" with a sexier girl and fantasy sequences replaced by video game imagery.

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                          • johnmiic
                            Adrift
                            • Sep 6, 2002
                            • 8427

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Brazoo
                            Uh oh. Is THAT what it is for real?

                            If it's really insane I would see it - my fear is that it's a poor man's "Pan's Labyrinth" with a sexier girl and fantasy sequences replaced by video game imagery.
                            This is way off from Pan's Labrynth.

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                            • kingdom warrior
                              OH JES!!
                              • Jul 21, 2005
                              • 12478

                              #15
                              It's Japanese anime come to life that makes no sense with big fight scenes with Hot chicks....that's it in a nutshell.

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